Dancehall Fans Against Homophobia

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scart ridge Wrote:
Naphta Wrote:Because your interpretation negates the usefulness - and indeed the function - of the word by insisting on an interpretation so literal.

how does it do that? the concept of 'intolerance of intolerance' isn't logically consistent with itself, but people aren't logically consistent with themselves, either, so 'intolerance of intolerance' exists whether or not you're covering your ears about it.

While I appreciate that you've found your 'Everything Means Everything Means Nothing Means Everything Means Nothing' philosophy personally useful, I'm suggesting that it's an active hurdle to the exchange of ideas between people. We employ language in order to try to communicate ideas more sophisticated than our hunter-gatherer forbears. In order for it to be useful, we try to work within generally agreed parameters regarding the meaning of terms that we employ.

I know you like to push your 'subverting the subverts' ideal by halting at every comma to derail what went previously. I know this and understand how it can be done - I recognise the limits of language. Ultimately though, I find this policy distracting, and not really much use when engaging in discussions such as this.
droid Wrote:But what about intolerance of intolerance of intolerance? Surely this is the real problem, and we cant even begin to address any issues about tolerance until we solve this one... I have every right to be intolerant of sombody elses intolerance, but any intolerance of my intolerance of intolerance is just...

... intolerable... Wink

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Precisely!
erbanta Wrote:now i don't understand in the slightest what naphta is saying Baffled

Blame Scart. Grin
Naphta Wrote:We employ language in order to try to communicate ideas more sophisticated than our hunter-gatherer forbears. In order for it to be useful, we try to work within generally agreed parameters regarding the meaning of terms that we employ.

i posted a dictionary definition to explain my interpretation of a word, and you blasted me for being too literal....now you're telling me about working within generally agreed parameters regarding the meaning of terms? WHAT THE FUCK IS A DICTIONARY?

Naphta Wrote:Ultimately though, I find this policy distracting, and not really much use when engaging in discussions such as this.

i find your policy of turning everything into partisan dialectic distracting, and not really much use when engaging in any discussion. but i just scan over those posts. should i get an avatar so you can scan over my posts more easily?
i'm starting to feel that if this continues it will cross over the boundary between bleeding-edge academia and total poop.
scart ridge Wrote:WHAT THE FUCK IS A DICTIONARY?

Some might say it's the last recourse of the Pedant. Wink But I'd say that ultimately, a dictionary's usefulness - like so many things - depends on the manner and circumstances in which it's employed.

Reach for the dictionary at every opportunity and you'll find you're repeatedly pressing the short-cut button to end further conversation/debate. IMO.

PS And you might answer this for me - does the word 'pedantry' have any meaning for you, and if so, when is its application justified?

Quote:i find your policy of turning everything into partisan dialectic distracting, and not really much use when engaging in any discussion. but i just scan over those posts. should i get an avatar so you can scan over my posts more easily?

Erm... isn't 'partisan dialectic' a contradition in terms too? Baffled

BTW, sorry for offending you Scart. We're arguing about methodologies here, and ours are clearly at odds. I didn't think you'd take my criticism of your method as a personal insult. Icon_cry
sileni Wrote:i'm starting to feel that if this continues it will cross over the boundary between bleeding-edge academia and total poop.

I feel your pain!

I'm willing to take any tangents into another thread. I think the primary issues raised in this thread are too important to lose to bleeding-edge oop. Wink
Naphta Wrote:I didn't think you'd take my criticism of your method as a personal insult. Icon_cry

it's not quite that, i've just gone down the road of logically picking apart my method enough times in recent memory to have a photo album full of the landmarks along the way, so i don't need to do it again for a while :P

i blame confidence.
scart ridge Wrote:it's not quite that, i've just gone down the road of logically picking apart my method enough times in recent memory to know what landmarks are along the way, so i don't need to do it again for a while Icon_razz

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so... you don't want to divert this into a new thread? Teef
Naphta Wrote:So... you DON'T want to divert this into a new thread? Teef

nah, let's revive it next year instead...when i'm bored of being bored of arguing about arguing Teef
scart ridge Wrote:nah, let's revive it next year instead...when i'm bored of being bored of arguing about arguing Teef

Hahaha some day scartyfeatures... some day..... Wack

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is it safe to post this now then?

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that's a joke naphta Smile Wave
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
i listen to a lot of dancehall
i have good freinds who i work with , whom i go to a lot of dub,dancehall,regge and i dont really care if they say kill batty man this and that ...i only really paid it any attention when all the fuss started
but why change things ...
DFAH Press Release: Monday 7 February 2005

Recent press reports bring news of a deal brokered by the UK Police between
anti-homophobia campaigners and record companies, distributors and gig
promoters in the UK.

Dancehall Fans Against Homophobia welcomes this deal - DFAH's founding
statement suggests that dialogue and negotiation are preferable to publicity
stunts and an unwillingness to accept compromise, and we always believed
that a deal in the UK was possible.

However, we are reggae music fans, so our concern with homophobia in reggae
is not as transient as those of other campaigners. This is particularly
important now, as some of those involved in the recent negotiations have
stated that they are now prepared to suspend their campaign against
homophobia in reggae. DFAH consider this to be premature, although they hope
that the suspension of the "Stop Murder Music" campaign means that there
will be no more calls to ban reggae artists from releasing records or
performing in the UK.

It is suggested that the recently negotiated deal accounts for 90% of the UK
reggae industry. This does not surprise us at all - DFAH always felt that
homophobic reggae was a minority interest. But if 10% of the UK reggae
industry is still prepared to release and promote homophobic music, then
DFAH will continue its campaign against this 10%.

Furthermore, DFAH is an international organisation, and does not limit its
campaigning to national boundaries. As such, DFAH will continue to campaign
against homophobia in reggae, in the UK and worldwide. We look forward to
doing this in an environment of mutual respect and tolerance, rather than in
an environment of conflict and enmity.


http://www.dfah.org
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erbanta Wrote:vox, i'm still waiting for you to explain how erich fromm is a crackhead..
Smile

and for the record: IMO dfah is a foolish campaign, even tho their statement has its moments :P
On a different style, i've been listening a lot to this rapper from Brooklyn. 
Lesbian and assuming.
Homophobia in rap has been quite "popular" here in France, for commercial purpose or ideology, whatever the reason is....Some peeps feel ok with it even assuming their positions quite strong, violently. I dont get it. Im even sure some will say yeah that sound is dope and raw, and at the moment i tell dem she's lesbian they might change their speech. 

Been some controversy over her, people tried to intellect' her stuffs, like 'she's killing her community' 'proning violence'  ' she need a psychiatrist' or else.
its like they never heard hardcore rap before or smtg...but hey i guess she's a pure product of what amerikkka can offer sometimes. 

Now deal with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McGMVuxhQvs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPobxwkWol8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxfyKzVYc6U
(27th January 2005, 17:51)DFAH_HQ Wrote: [Image: top_banner3.jpg]

DFAH (pronounced differ) – because we're DFAHrent

In 2005, the reggae subgenre of dancehall is under attack from a variety of sources. Most of these attacks relate to the homophobic content of some dancehall record releases. However, many of these attacks are so woefully inaccurate as to be dangerous in their own right. Dancehall Fans Against Homophobia is a newly formed organisation of dancehall fans who are as fed up with governmental and media attacks on dancehall as they are with the handful of deejays currently releasing homophobic records.

1) We are fans and supporters of reggae, dancehall and Jamaican music in all its forms.

2) We are opposed to homophobia and homophobic lyrics.

3) We call on record companies to desist from releasing homophobic records and to encourage their artists to perform lyrics dealing with other issues.

4) We will no longer buy records with homophobic lyrics.

5) We call on soundsystems to desist from playing homophobic records, or from making homophobic comments on the mic at dances.

6) We will no longer support homophobic soundsystems.

7) We reject the demonisation of reggae and its fans by parts of the media.

8 ) We are opposed to state bans on artists.

9) We recognise the long history of homophobia in Jamaica and that there can be no "quick fix". We propose that the way forward lies in dialogue and not in gesture politics.

10) We would like to open up a dialogue between reggae fans, artists, labels owners, soundsystem operators and the reggae community worldwide.

If dancehall fans are interested in signing up to these principles, they should log on - www.dfah.org  , and step on prejudice, in all its forms.

Press enquiries & media comment - [email protected]

SIGN OUR PETITION!

"and step on prejudice, in all its forms." really?  Roll

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