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#26
Things to do:

(1) Promote a split from 'drum n bass', which is doomed to shitness for ever more.

The evidence of this doom? The majority of the former leaders and true explorers have become 'embedded' in the d+b industry, and are now comitted to issuing dumbed-down lame-assed excuses for pieces of music in the apparent belief that they represent 'progress' for this scene. Clearly bollocks when you pause to consider what this scene was doing many years ago, but as the d+b scenetroopers are fond of reminding us: how can you argue with what the kids want? Y'know, ten million 'Dilly' fans can't be wrong, no?

They're all saying it - check any interviews: the d+b industry wants in on the charts, wants in on advertising etc. etc. etc. TeeBee talks about how the important thing is to make as much money as possible, while Fabio sees hip hop/rnb's commercialisation as THE route to follow. And all the while, Goldie brings his talent to bear on representing the latest in Burtons Menswear...

Thus, there is NO turning back. Drum n Bass as we know it will NEVER EVER be reinspired to turn the clock back, or to take risks again. It's cash now, all the way - first and foremost for those that control the genre. And as we know, that means dumbed-down LCD muzak for kids doing their first amphemtamines.

Thus, a split is called for. Let them keep their Happy Hardcore 2003. The music we appreciate has no place there, and vice versa.

(2) Promote what we do as a distinct entity. WE know what unites us - more so even than opposition to the shitness of d+b - we are heads with a love for music and with open ears and minds. Not only can we handle change/variety in music - we relish it! Bring it ON! We WANT to be surprised, we WANT to be pushed that bit further. AND that for me is more about a ATTITUDE to this music, than about how many beats there are in the bar, or about whether subs are better than midrange or whateverthefuck... I cna handle 2-step beats, vocals, nasty noises, Amens, comedy shit next to deadly serious - anyfuckingthing!!! ... once I know that the script is gonna be flipped, that change is the only constant, that the attitude is like-minded...

And that attititude is what we have in common. A STYLE of making the music and a style of playing it out, which I am inclined to call JUNGLE STYLE... cutting up the beats, changing the tempo, mixing live instrumentation with DJing, in other words: giving people some of what they want in order to further defy their expectations......... in the proper tradition of a real funk or a real hip hop DJ mixing art and partying - with surprise as a key element rather than as the enemy...

(3) Maybe all scenes have a shelf-life but the way I see it, this one is only beginning. And we need a scene for ourselves - that sense of community, that network of media, to fall back on. Not the deaf ears of tired cynical unappreciative industry hacks who baulk at every step of the way, but of people who know that drum n bass is just another form of MUSIC, albeit a very adaptable and exciting one when approached with the right attitude. And when delivered with the right style... We need to stop banging on the door of something that, in reality, no longer means anything to us other than as a hint of what might have been. And that means we have to build this ourselves and gather those to us who understand what our style is all about, and who want to share in it.
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#27
Agreed.

so lets define this alternative genre by how?

my thoughts..........

1. ALBUM
2. PLAYING OUT AND GETTING BOOKINGS TOGETHER.
3. IN MAGAZINE INTERVIEWS.
4. MESSAGE BOARDS
5. JOINT ADVERTISING
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#28
2.5 times posting massive say iiiiiiiiii
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#29
bloody server.....
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#30
Blue Wrote:Agreed.

so lets define this alternative genre by how?

my thoughts..........

1. ALBUM
2. PLAYING OUT AND GETTING BOOKINGS TOGETHER.
3. IN MAGAZINE INTERVIEWS.
4. MESSAGE BOARDS
5. JOINT ADVERTISING

Like the sound of it, especially on the promotional side. I'll talk to peeps here. BTW, email me your postal address (osheashane@hotmail.com)
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#31
Blue Wrote:Agreed.

so lets define this alternative genre by how?

my thoughts..........

1. ALBUM
2. PLAYING OUT AND GETTING BOOKINGS TOGETHER.
3. IN MAGAZINE INTERVIEWS.
4. MESSAGE BOARDS
5. JOINT ADVERTISING

i might be able to help in a few areas Wink
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#32
Blue Wrote:so lets define this alternative genre by how?

my thoughts..........

1. ALBUM

What do you mean with this? A genre defining compilation?
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#33
esb Wrote:i might be able to help in a few areas Wink

hows that my friend? discuss!!
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#34
1-getting you some online press to run on the d&b/electronic websites
2-in the process of getting you guys some contacts for canada/mid-west america
3-playing your stuff consistantly in my sets both live and online

weirdly enough this applies to both sb and bassbin as both of you have been on urbnet's pages.
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#35
esb Wrote:1-getting you some online press to run on the d&b/electronic websites
2-in the process of getting you guys some contacts for canada/mid-west america
3-playing your stuff consistantly in my sets both live and online

i love you.

Kisskiss
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#36
love is in the air
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#37
esb Wrote:1-getting you some online press to run on the d&b/electronic websites
2-in the process of getting you guys some contacts for canada/mid-west america
3-playing your stuff consistantly in my sets both live and online

weirdly enough this applies to both sb and bassbin as both of you have been on urbnet's pages.


errr so why haven't we? eh eh? Icon_sad
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#38
um you are on the pages of urbnet
http://www.urbnet.com/electro-editorial.asp?ueid=98

errr so why haven't we? eh eh?

..also i have not been able to find any of your stuff....
senses was gonna send me some stuff but never did.
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#39
Blue Wrote:
esb Wrote:1-getting you some online press to run on the d&b/electronic websites
2-in the process of getting you guys some contacts for canada/mid-west america
3-playing your stuff consistantly in my sets both live and online

i love you.

Kisskiss

Icon201 Wackit
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#40
esb Wrote:
Blue Wrote:i love you.

Kisskiss

Icon201 Wackit

OOH monsieur Oops

Wink
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#41
i don't fit in with you guys at all
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#42
scart ridge Wrote:i don't fit in with you guys at all

why do you say that?
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#43
i'm coming from a way different angle than the people who've been talking in this thread: i fit in as well with 'dancefloor types' as i do 'leftfield types', which is to say not very well, because i'm a weird combination of the two. whether this will yield success is up to reality to decide, but my approach couldn't be any more different than what's outlined here.
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#44
scart ridge Wrote:i'm coming from a way different angle than the people who've been talking in this thread: i fit in as well with 'dancefloor types' as i do 'leftfield types', which is to say not very well, because i'm a weird combination of the two. whether this will yield success is up to reality to decide, but my approach couldn't be any more different than what's outlined here.

wrong mate..

i'm this way inclined to.
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#45
Blue Wrote:wrong mate..

i'm this way inclined to.

you've announced intentions to set up an infrastructure seperate from what's already there, to serve an audience that's seperate from what's already there! that's the exact opposite of what i want to do.
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#46
scart ridge Wrote:you've announced intentions to set up an infrastructure seperate from what's already there, to serve an audience that's seperate from what's already there! that's the exact opposite of what i want to do.

still waiting to hear the tunes Bigstick
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#47
statto Wrote:
scart ridge Wrote:you've announced intentions to set up an infrastructure seperate from what's already there, to serve an audience that's seperate from what's already there! that's the exact opposite of what i want to do.

still waiting to hear the tunes Bigstick

as i said on doa today, if my music ever gets good enough to be a 'proof of concept' of the ideas i'm always talking about, you'll hear about it indirectly, on its own merits; if it's not, then it's back to the drawing board anyways. the wheels are in motion...

Icon_razz
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#48
scart ridge Wrote:
Blue Wrote:wrong mate..

i'm this way inclined to.

you've announced intentions to set up an infrastructure seperate from what's already there, to serve an audience that's seperate from what's already there! that's the exact opposite of what i want to do.

seperate?

opposite?

what is it exactly i want to do?

Roll
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#49
let's juxtapose

a:

Naphta Wrote:(1) Promote a split from 'drum n bass', which is doomed to shitness for ever more.

The evidence of this doom? The majority of the former leaders and true explorers have become 'embedded' in the d+b industry, and are now comitted to issuing dumbed-down lame-assed excuses for pieces of music in the apparent belief that they represent 'progress' for this scene. Clearly bollocks when you pause to consider what this scene was doing many years ago, but as the d+b scenetroopers are fond of reminding us: how can you argue with what the kids want? Y'know, ten million 'Dilly' fans can't be wrong, no?

They're all saying it - check any interviews: the d+b industry wants in on the charts, wants in on advertising etc. etc. etc. TeeBee talks about how the important thing is to make as much money as possible, while Fabio sees hip hop/rnb's commercialisation as THE route to follow. And all the while, Goldie brings his talent to bear on representing the latest in Burtons Menswear...

Thus, there is NO turning back. Drum n Bass as we know it will NEVER EVER be reinspired to turn the clock back, or to take risks again. It's cash now, all the way - first and foremost for those that control the genre. And as we know, that means dumbed-down LCD muzak for kids doing their first amphemtamines.

Thus, a split is called for. Let them keep their Happy Hardcore 2003. The music we appreciate has no place there, and vice versa.

(2) Promote what we do as a distinct entity. WE know what unites us - more so even than opposition to the shitness of d+b - we are heads with a love for music and with open ears and minds. Not only can we handle change/variety in music - we relish it! Bring it ON! We WANT to be surprised, we WANT to be pushed that bit further. AND that for me is more about a ATTITUDE to this music, than about how many beats there are in the bar, or about whether subs are better than midrange or whateverthefuck... I cna handle 2-step beats, vocals, nasty noises, Amens, comedy shit next to deadly serious - anyfuckingthing!!! ... once I know that the script is gonna be flipped, that change is the only constant, that the attitude is like-minded...
Blue Wrote:Agreed.

so lets define this alternative genre by how?

my thoughts..........

1. ALBUM
2. PLAYING OUT AND GETTING BOOKINGS TOGETHER.
3. IN MAGAZINE INTERVIEWS.
4. MESSAGE BOARDS
5. JOINT ADVERTISING

vs b:

scart ridge Wrote:i don't think a split has to happen, but i think it's natural as long as those 'dissidents' who hope to make the music better through their contributions position themselves as ideological opponents of the status quo. why does everything have to be mutually exclusive? the 'two sides' are fighting for the same audience, but if one piece of music is appreciated by the audience, and if one piece of music seems to be 'misunderstood' by the audience, why is that the audience's fault?

if you're trying to get a message across to a person and they don't get it, it could be because they're dumb and lack comprehension skills, OR it could be that they lack a point of reference for what you're talking about, so it just sounds like gibberish to them. in conversation, you can explain what you're talking about by relating it back to things that the person would know; if you think this concept can't translate to music, why?

selfishly, this year in drum and bass i'd ideally like to see - i understand i have no right to place expectations on other producers, i'm just being hypothetical - music that appeals to a mainstream current drum and bass audience on their terms while still having a lot of detail in the execution, and introducing many new ideas into the music's lexicon just in one track. i feel that this is the most likely way that the music will become healthier; producers could potentially demonstrate to other producers and the audience alike that there are more 'working' possibilities than are currently being exploited, which would open the door to more possibilities as they acquire more points of reference for what the music can be, without eschewing success. where's the middle ground between 'complete artistic integrity' and, er......'turkish sound'???????

these two stances on the issue are, to me, pretty clearly different. i have ABSOLUTELY NO DISRESPECT!!!!!!! for modern drum and bass audiences because what they're doing probably makes complete and utter sense to them. it might not show respect to the music's history, but it doesn't take a genius to see why people who get into a style of music later on in its evolution would be less familiar with its history.

i feel that as long as you believe things like 'the music [you] appreciate has no place there', it will never have a place there, no matter how hard you try; in aiming for that audience with a perception like that in tow, you're more likely to turn out bog-standard 2-step that doesn't really communicate anything but cynicism.
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#50
alternative NOT seperate.......

come on man.
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