Did the majors have any part in the current d&b?
#1

It's a known fact that most of the subverts think that 97+ D&B/Jungle wen't downhill...but I was thinking, wasn't by this time that the major labels (EMI, etc etc) entered the D&B for good?
Reprazent, Source Direct, Grooverider...

Do you think this is related? If so, why then...
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#2

Majors are always playing catch up.

They were a symptom of the malaise at the time, not really a cause.
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8bits Wrote:It's a known fact that most of the subverts think that 97+ D&B/Jungle wen't downhill...but I was thinking, wasn't by this time that the major labels (EMI, etc etc) entered the D&B for good?
Reprazent, Source Direct, Grooverider...

Do you think this is related? If so, why then...

not really, no
the a&r people mostly came out of dance music anyway
it was really just everyone cashing in Smile
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because to me its a culture war against the corporate establishment... and i take it very personally... im a "jedi" fighting a "dark empire" Twisted

when you study anthropolgy, you learn a term a called ACCULTURATION, it means when one culture comes along, and essentially CONSUMES and DESTROYS another culture... Teef
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#5

but don't you think that they injected a great amount of money, that then this market has never seen, and this could have contribuited to producers start making tunes that a mainstream market could get into...you see my line of though?
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8bits Wrote:but don't you think that they injected a great amount of money, that then this market has never seen, and this could have contribuited to producers start making tunes that a mainstream market could get into...

if anything dnb retreated from the mainstream and started producing headbanging music that far fewer people could get into

whereas the major lps are generally pretty good...

goldie - timeless
reprazent - new forms
photek - modus operandi
source direct - exorcise the demons
grooverider - mysteries of funk
adam f - colours
4 hero - two pages (some of it anyway Icon_razz)

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#7

Yeah, loads of artists were 'the new goldie'. Given loads of money, then released an album that did very poorly in the charts.
Plenty of artists got too big for their boots.

But if you want to know the truth, it was really two-step that killed jungle. All the beat headz left jungle right then. I was one of them. it got really boring.
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unsane ii (the revenge) Wrote:yeah, loads of artists were 'the new goldie'. given loads of money, then released an album that did very poorly in the charts.
plenty of artists got too big for their boots.

but if you want to know the truth, it was really two-step that killed jungle. all the beat headz left jungle right then. i was one of them. it got really boring.
i don't settle for this excuse that everyone says all the time...i don't think that 2step is the evil evil rythm that got everyone out of this scene...for me it's got to be a series of events and things all at a small period...i just don't know why Roll Icon_razz
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8bits Wrote:i don't settle for this excuse that everyone says all the time...i don't think that 2step is the evil evil rythm that got everyone out of this scene...for me it's got to be a series of events and things all at a small period...i just don't know why Roll Icon_razz

i'm telling you the truth. i have no idea what other people say. but i was buying £400 a month's worth of jungle at it's peak. i loved it.
i slowed down my record buying when two-step came in. i just couldn't love it anymore the same way, it was a real fucking shame.

big ego's and two-step killed jungle.
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Unsane II (The Revenge) Wrote:I slowed down my record buying when two-step came in. I just couldn't love it anymore the same way, it was a real fucking shame.

although you now have £5000 more a year Wink
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#11

People like Grooverider and Goldie would play a record on Radio 1, and you would go WOW!
But the fucking record didn't come out for over a YEAR!
By that time you just didn't want it that much, it was not relevant any more.

That, two-step and ego's are what killed Jungle.
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Goldie - Timeless
Reprazent - New Forms
Photek - Modus Operandi
Source Direct - Exorcise The Demons
Grooverider - Mysteries of Funk
Adam F - Colours

every single coffeshop in amsterdam was playing all these when i first went there
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pressure. Wrote:Goldie - Timeless
Reprazent - New Forms
Photek - Modus Operandi
Source Direct - Exorcise The Demons
Grooverider - Mysteries of Funk
Adam F - Colours

every single coffeshop in amsterdam was playing all these when i first went there

what do they play now?
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dj_obiwan Wrote:what do they play now?
Reggae and hiphop mostly as far as I know. Baffled Never heard DnB in a coffeeshop. Icon_sad
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#15

dunno what it's like in other places but the music that jungle comes from (ie most sampled) like funk, soul and reggae is what pulls in more punters than dnb.
beats are there to be broken http://musicindevon.org/
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Unsane II (The Revenge) Wrote:People like Grooverider and Goldie would play a record on Radio 1, and you would go WOW!
But the fucking record didn't come out for over a YEAR!
By that time you just didn't want it that much, it was not relevant any more.

That, two-step and ego's are what killed Jungle.
I kinda agree with you on the two-step thing, but i can't see it being that bad in the beginning, because even if things got more simplier rhythm wise back then, but it was still running, slower and easier to dance to.

But looking at it in a present perspective, i can say, yes, it probably was one of the major causes to this music starting to go wrong, things started going really fast, rhythms getting boring and basically the whole dance element and element of getting a rush from the jungle rhythm went away. Something along these lines, so yeah, i can see where you're coming from.

Yet i think the way it all going at the moment musically is good, there are thousands of people in bedrooms around the world making music they like, making music that goes against the pathetic state of things in the scene. And eventually these people will start getting out there, and as London influence is slowly starting to fade, with more and more people looking into international market, the refreshment will for sure start happening at some point.
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#17

The problem was not 2-step in itself.. it was when the scene began to edge out anything that wasn't 2-step - to enforce uniformity.

I like some 2-step tracks - I know we all do. But the ONE unique feature pioneered by this music (cut-up breakbeats) offered it a sophisticated vocabulary - a rhythmic language that no other rave-inspired dance music could match. Thus when drum n bass - the most rhythmically inventive form of modern dance music - turned its back on the polyrythmic possibilities that it had itself pioneered Grumble .. what we were witnessing was a retreat from this world of possibilities and the establishment of a new orthodoxy - a new conservatism in the scene.

It went hand-in-hand with key figures in the scene talking about d+b 'taking over', 'entering the mainstream' bla bla bla, so it's not hard to see why the adoption of the 2-step orthodoxy made sense to those who were thinking this way.

Anyone wants to argue this with me on this, be warned, I've been flogging this horse since 1997. Grin
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......And don't we know it Teef
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Macc Wrote:......And don't we know it Teef

I'll flog YOU in a minute! Mad
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Naphta Wrote:The problem was not 2-step in itself.. it was when the scene began to edge out anything that wasn't 2-step - to enforce uniformity.

I like some 2-step tracks - I know we all do. But the ONE unique feature pioneered by this music (cut-up breakbeats) offered it a sophisticated vocabulary - a rhythmic language that no other rave-inspired dance music could match. Thus when drum n bass - the most rhythmically inventive form of modern dance music - turned its back on the polyrythmic possibilities that it had itself pioneered Grumble .. what we were witnessing was a retreat from this world of possibilities and the establishment of a new orthodoxy - a new conservatism in the scene.

It went hand-in-hand with key figures in the scene talking about d+b 'taking over', 'entering the mainstream' bla bla bla, so it's not hard to see why the adoption of the 2-step orthodoxy made sense to those who were thinking this way.

Anyone wants to argue this with me on this, be warned, I've been flogging this horse since 1997. Grin
agreed, that's kind of where my thoughts were coming from as well. cheers
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Naphta Wrote:The problem was not 2-step in itself.. it was when the scene began to edge out anything that wasn't 2-step - to enforce uniformity.

where did the pressure for uniformity come from?
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#25

Lowest common denominator.
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