Unsane II (The Revenge) Wrote:Get a life* you boring bastard!
(*Copyright William Shatner 1988)
I have a life. It has already come complete with REAL traumas - hence my lack of desire to immerse myself in imagined proxy-ones.
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Unsane II (The Revenge) Wrote:Get a life* you boring bastard! I have a life. It has already come complete with REAL traumas - hence my lack of desire to immerse myself in imagined proxy-ones.
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naphta Wrote:a holiday in cambodia, anyone? i don't get you that has nothing to do with art. naphta Wrote:very subjective, that. hint : Quote::greekmythology101flexing: erbanta Wrote:naphta Wrote:a holiday in cambodia, anyone? third world tourism. package holiday traumas-2-go! Quote:hint : dunno wot that means...?
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Naphta Wrote:Unsane II (The Revenge) Wrote:Get a life* you boring bastard! Oh, sorry that makes you right about everything then. Get a life* you boring bastard! (*Copyright William Shatner 1988) Naphta Wrote:Third World Tourism. Package Holiday Traumas-2-Go! which is related to art in what way? Naphta Wrote:Dunno wot that means...? click here Naphta Wrote:Unsane II (The Revenge) Wrote:Get a life* you boring bastard! The most teenage acne covered comment of all time. Unsane II (The Revenge) Wrote:Oh, sorry that makes you right about everything then. I first began to think about this when going to see 'Requiem For A Dream' a few years ago with a girlfriend - she was extremely open-minded in general about Art etc., but walked out during the movie cos she couldn't handle it. Why? Not because she was close-minded, or because she didn't want to know about the existence of 'terrible things' - not at all. In fact, her brother had killed himself the previous year, and as a direct result of this extreme trauma, her appetite for Trauma Tourism had declined somewhat. Not everybody NEEDS to immerse themselves in such things, and in my estimation, you will tend to find that the people who experienced trauma FOR REAL have less desire to do so - for them life is already too short and too grim and they look to Art for hope or inspiration instead. To regard such people as somehow lacking IS teenage - precisely because the teenage quest for extremities of experience has (for them) already been more than satisfied by real-life misery.
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littleNemo Wrote:* Wrote:And I also disagree that a film can be important regardless of the "opinions of those who view it", because that's all that "importance" is, basically, a bunch of opinions. and? i don't really see what this has got to do with anything are you citing this as a reason for the film not to exist? or that the scene should have been cut?
I couldn't give a shit what you or your girlfriends experiences are.
This was a thread about the merits of Irreversible. I don't want people telling me it's like Baise Moi when they have not even seen it. If you don't want to watch it, FINE! But don't come on this thread condemning a film you have not seen. Unsane II (The Revenge) Wrote:I couldn't give a shit what you or your girlfriends experiences are. WOAAAAHhh, DOA-styles!!! Hahaha, you're really not up this mate, are you? I haven't condemned this film - or compared it to anything else. I was trying to get some discussion going about what it is that attracts people to TRAUMA in films, but you flinched as soon as your sacred Arthouse cows came under a hint of fire. Not exactly the reaction of a Subversive, is it..?
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Naphta Wrote:I was trying to get some discussion going about what it is that attracts people to TRAUMA in films then go and watch the film so that we all have something definite in common. you know, it's a pain in the ass for anybody to start relating to your girlfriend and her emotional state in order to discuss about movies. Naphta Wrote:Unsane II (The Revenge) Wrote:I couldn't give a shit what you or your girlfriends experiences are. You really are quite unpleasant aren't you? I always wondered why everyone hates you on this forum. Now I know. Naphta Wrote:I first began to think about this when going to see 'Requiem For A Dream' a few years ago with a girlfriend - she was extremely open-minded in general about Art etc., but walked out during the movie cos she couldn't handle it. Why? Not because she was close-minded, or because she didn't want to know about the existence of 'terrible things' - not at all. In fact, her brother had killed himself the previous year, and as a direct result of this extreme trauma, her appetite for Trauma Tourism had declined somewhat. i don't think that people who suffer in their personal lives (in whatever respect) have less trauma tourism (as you put it). rather, that their mind and body deliberately shy away from seeing or experiencing anything that may bring back the feelings and emotions associated with what happened to them personally. you seem to look at those who no longer wish to experience trauma tourism (because of their personal involvement) as exorcised somehow from that desire. i believe that they are not facing (or not continuing to face) the unfortunate and depressing truth, which is that bad and fucked up things happen, very often for no reason at all. Unsane II (The Revenge) Wrote:Seriously though, watch the film before passing judgement. I was speaking more generally, but I've just started downloading it (from alt.binaries.sleazemovies ), so I'll watch it tonight. * Wrote:unsane ii (the revenge) Wrote:seriously though, watch the film before passing judgement. you really have to see it at the cinema to experience it correctly. but go for it. erbanta Wrote:then go and watch the film so that we all have something definite in common. you know, it's a pain in the ass for anybody to start relating to your girlfriend and her emotional state in order to discuss about movies. there's no need to be a dick about it! i reach for a real-world example of a traumatic experience and that suddenly bursts ur bubble? i've been asking ashes to qualify what he meant by his general assertion that 'hell is good' for ages, but he refuses to take that up at all. this suggests to me that he is taking this assertion as a given - that one of the purposes of art is to provide people with unreal traumas. i'm interested in this idea and am trying to challenge what appears to be a consensus amongst some of the users on this board - that hell is 'good'. i think that depends very much on just how much real 'hell' one has already experienced in real life. maybe my argument is full of shit, but it would be nice if some of you 'subversives' could actually take up the point and debate it (erbanta - i appreciate that you have made some effort on this score ).
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naphta Wrote:erbanta Wrote:then go and watch the film so that we all have something definite in common. you know, it's a pain in the ass for anybody to start relating to your girlfriend and her emotional state in order to discuss about movies. i think it would be best for everyone if you done the decent thing and left this thread now. thanks in advance. Unsane II (The Revenge) Wrote:You really are quite unpleasant aren't you? Mate, I SERIOUSLY expected better from you. If you're gonna present yourself as a champion of challenging, intellectual cinema, can't you make the effort to explore a debate that has resulted from just that?
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YEEEHIGGITY DOO! WE GOTS US A BONER FIDAY NAPHTABATE! Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever. * Wrote:I think the problem people have with Irreversible is it's subject matter, and how it is presented not only in aesthetic, but, for lack of a better word, "moral " terms. this all makes sense * Wrote:And I also disagree that a film can be important regardless of the "opinions of those who view it", because that's all that "importance" is, basically, a bunch of opinions. i don't believe that importance has anything to do with opinion. to me the importance of something is related to what becomes possible (or not possible even) after it has been created, not how people viewed it at the time. Naphta Wrote:Unsane II (The Revenge) Wrote:You really are quite unpleasant aren't you? I find your tone unpleasant and antagonistic. Comments like "Teenager" are just patronising crap that give me no incentive to debate with you. Do you argue with yourself when you are alone? Hmmmmm. Reminds me of myself Ten years ago naphta Wrote:maybe my argument is full of shit, but it would be nice if some of you 'subversives' could actually take up the point and debate it (erbanta - i appreciate that you have made some effort on this score ).
I wote a long thing about why I didn't like the film, but I can't be arsed!
Unsane II (The Revenge) Wrote:I find your tone unpleasant and antagonistic. Actually, what I wrote was 'teenagery', which is not the same. And it was in response to this particular comment: Unsane II (The Revenge) Wrote:Because hell has a much better record collection than heaven. .. which ain't nothing but a pretty glib soundbite - much like the similarly smug 'there is ONLY GOOD music and BAD music'. So: you may have found yourself frustrated by my baiting, but I've found your refusal to engage with me equally so. I appreciate that you think this film important, but if you really believe that, I think you should be prepared to take on debates or arguments that result from it when you post about it with such miltancy. IMO, the most interesting question raised by people's varying tastes for such extremities in film (as we've witnessed on this thread) is this: is the ability to endure (or the hunger to search out) such things directly related to real-life experiences of trauma? I think this is a very valid question, and if your thread is to be anything other than a roll-call of unquestioning support for Ireversible (which seems to be what you were originally fishing for), how about actually taking on my question and talking about it? And I promise to play nice! Quote:Do you argue with yourself when you are alone? Quote:Hmmmmm. Reminds me of myself Ten years ago Stay cool my dear!
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