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how many plates can sc currently afford to repress?

don't want to start recriminations at all - but i'm really very surprised your mastering engineer agreed to master off mp3s in the first place.

seriously, if you had the cash you should be getting wavs or aiffs (i.e. unlike mp3s a lossless format) off all the artists and doing them all again.

but i realise that may not be a possibility Sad2 Hugs
logos Wrote:how many plates can sc currently afford to repress?

don't want to start recriminations at all - but i'm really very surprised your mastering engineer agreed to master off mp3s in the first place.

seriously, if you had the cash you should be getting wavs or aiffs (i.e. unlike mp3s a lossless format) off all the artists and doing them all again.

but i realise that may not be a possibility Sad2 Hugs

ao sent wavs
blue only had mp3s since he lost everything on his harddisk
pieter sent aiffs, but beau preferred to keep going with mp3s rather than reorganise everything to convert mac files

and sc has no money at all
i'm currently funding everything Neutral
I didn't mean to be harsh up there... Just kind of stunned really.
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
OK.

If AO sent wavs and Beau actually used the wavs to master then there shouldn't be a speed problem with any of his tracks.

OK so Mp3s for Blue, but there shouldn't be any speed issues there.

So its only the Pieter K that needs remastering - and this time get someone to convert the aiff to a wav and do it straight off that.

Why are you funding everything Statto - I thought there was just about enough in the pot to cover mastering and pressing of SC001?

Baffled
Logos Wrote:OK.

If AO sent wavs and Beau actually used the wavs to master then there shouldn't be a speed problem with any of his tracks.

no speed problem
it's just that the ending is different
I was just wondering now whether AO had remastered a different version by mistake

Logos Wrote:So its only the Pieter K that needs remastering - and this time get someone to convert the aiff to a wav and do it straight off that.

or just use the AIFFs

Logos Wrote:Why are you funding everything Statto - I thought there was just about enough in the pot to cover mastering and pressing of SC001?

in the end total subvert donations (which included me) = £780
which wasn't even enough to pay the artists
everything else I'm fronting myself
Fine, aiff's or wavs, no problem.

Is the ending just different on Miltant Thoughts? Obviously check with AO but if the mastered version sounds ok just go with that I reckon. Its not like any major component which makes the tune good has been changed is it?

As to a solution, only press up the AO and Blue plates, drop the price to £8 or so, and then hope you can recoup enough too fund remastering of the Pieter K in a few months time.

That's what I'd do.
Logos Wrote:As to a solution, only press up the AO and Blue plates, drop the price to £8 or so, and then hope you can recoup enough too fund remastering of the Pieter K in a few months time.

That's what I'd do.

nah I'll remaster the Pieter K and sell them all together as planned

Kisskiss
OK - your call Smile
noisemonkey Wrote:170 is a wee bit slow IMO

but 190 is definately too fast to match to current dnb standard even at -8%...


i was also going to suggest maybe it was some mixup with 48khz versus 44.1khz
; in days of old this sort of balls-up (hehe) would occur when not being mindful of DAT sample rate versus compact disc.
rekall Wrote:not being mindful of dat sample rate versus compact disc.

maybe that's exactly what it is Chin Icon123
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
that seems probable yes

Grumble
SHOIT!!

Really gutted to hear this News Icon_cry Icon_cry Icon_cry
Especially after all the hard work u have put in......

Hopefully you can get the Pieter K tunes remastered (if u can afford it) or just go for 2 discs.......

what about a new donation appeal on SC???? funds for remastering???
my advice.....

you got Test Presses, right? the purpose of TPs is to give you a sample of the final product; i haven't been around in the music industry for a hundred years but i gotta say that you have let all the artists involved hear their tracks BEFORE showing green light to the mastering/pressing plant.
TPs CAN BE CANCELLED if you are not happy with them.
you can ask them to remaster the stuff for the final product and send u new TPs.

just for an example: the a-side of LoCuts002 was FUCKED at first.
it just sound so fucking horrible; the label manager was a bit concerned and asked me to check the TP out as soon as i could; i did, said it sucked --> we got new TPs, and the rest went fine.

get in touch with pieter k now and discuss this as much as possible.
IF he provided you/the mastering plant with a file that should play at the proper speed, the shitty result is the fault of the pressing plant.
ask them to do a new job.
yeah man, vinyl process is expensive - demand premium service for the premium cost.
fanu Wrote:my advice.....

you got Test Presses, right? the purpose of TPs is to give you a sample of the final product; i haven't been around in the music industry for a hundred years but i gotta say that you have let all the artists involved hear their tracks BEFORE showing green light to the mastering/pressing plant.
TPs CAN BE CANCELLED if you are not happy with them.

sure they won't be pressed from this cut
they'll be remastered first

Grumble
at this rate, you'll have to include a one-sheet inside every jacket telling the tale of this release and its many varied issues Grin
Logos Wrote:Don't worry Statto - this is drum and bass; we expect and demand delays in getting tunes out Teef

yeah exactly! Hahaha

it wouldn't be that sweet if u didnt have to wait for it for a few years first Hahaha
i thought i had it real bad taking 2/3 months to get actual01 produced and ready for purchase Lol
rekall Wrote:i thought i had it real bad taking 2/3 months to get actual01 produced and ready for purchase Lol

my copy is warped
go back and do it again

:P
*shakes fist angrily at USPS for dodgy 'surface' handling*
Er, Statto, surely artists are paid after the record starts to sell??

That's what I'm doing anyhow, couldn't afford to do the label otherwise.
code Wrote:er, statto, surely artists are paid after the record starts to sell??

that's what i'm doing anyhow, couldn't afford to do the label otherwise.

i'm paying an advance up front
subvert donations pretty much covered it

Xyxthumbs
Shit

Ive just seen this thread.

Jon - my number 07710 637067.

If theres any problems like this in the future, or you have any doubt about anything regarding formats or anything at all - PLEASE CALL.

Mastering should NOT ever be done from MP3.
If for one of the releases you ONLY have an MP3, then convert it to WAV - it wont lose any quality.

Definitely do not convert the others to MP3, each one deteriorating in quality !!

It is quite plain from reading this thread that the Pieter K tune was converted to an MP3 incorrectly. It should have first been resampled to 44khz

Macc is bang on with this:

Macc Wrote:From the comments in this thread it seems as if whoever made the mp3 assumed that the aiff was at a sample rate of 44.1kHz. From the info in this thread it seem that Pieter K works at 48kHz. This would explain the tempo differences people are hearing - several windows media jobbies don't support sample rates above 44.1kHz. So those playing it back at 44.1kHz hear it [48/44.1 =] 1.088 times faster. Assuming an original tempo of 170, this means people are hearing it at 1.088x170 = 185 bpm. So if, as someone said, the new tempo is 190, the original is 175 (sorry, geekness took over there, I had to work that out Oops ). This all seem to tally, unless I've made a balls up.

The point here is that whoever made the mp3 (mastering from mp3 btw? WTF??) didn't consider that Pieter K might work at a different sample rate, which all signs suggest he does. Had they opened the file in something like wavelab, either as raw pcm or by changing the file extension, they would have seen that sample rate was 48kHz and done the necessary conversion - no hassle.

Not doing this to nag or pick holes, but this is all very expensive for certain people (ie Statto mainly) and could very easily have been avoided, with a certain amount of thought and testing of resulting files. It only takes a minute to make a standard wav from an aiff.

Neutral

a REALLY BAD mistake.

As for the Mastering Engineer.
He should have facilities to master from WAV or from AIF (or its alter-ego AIFF).
He should have facilities to master from 44.1Khz or 48Khz (or 88 or 96 etc)
He should NEVER have recommended that you use MP3, as it implies quality loss. This seems especially poor since it seems he did this just to make his life a bit easier.

I would ask for free remastering from the original WAVs / AIF files, as MP3 should never be acceptable. He should NEVER have recommended that.
Statto Wrote:SC has no money at all
I'm currently funding everything Neutral

there is a few months of hosting funds currently that we CAN dip in to if absolutely necessary as a short term measure.
it's ok Kisskiss