Hmm, my first non - music related thread here...
Nothing really new here, but quite interesting, because some german teacher showed some civil courage...a rare thing in Germany.
Today some members of the right - wing NPD gave away free CD's at a public school with hateful lyrics and badly done dullard folk - music in Berlin - Brandenburg.
Not that successful.
A female middle - aged teacher stopped the illegal giveaway to the kids...got the usual verbal excrements ("You are supporting censorship here at this school..." blahblahblah) by those neo - nazis for collecting it back from the kids...
Well, i think it takes some guts..that the teacher really took some stance against the influence they wanted to promote in distributing that material...
And it also takes some guts for the people who produced it - because the music and lyrics are lame and non-worthy, a waste of digital material they were pressed on.
Nonetheless, if anybody thinks that this bullshit music & lyrics really grows on youths or builds up a certain influence on them, he has to be very stupid.
Feedback is welcome.
i thought censorship rules cd be somewot bent in deutschland when it comes to nazism..in the states that wd be lk klansmen distributin cds to kids abt how great slavery was, maybe by doin 2005 reworks of period music abt "darkies" (which wd probably sound exactly the same since so many of these backwards are immune to technology).
but civil courage..a rare thing in DE? cmon yardie, i live in the u.s., where civil courage is dearer than, well, oil
Hey, isn't Germany actually owned by the U.S.A. !?
Sorry for that irony, but the process of looking away is getting more and more popular here. I've seen so many situations which proved that, especially in Germany.
I think the teachers action was adequate - in this case, she acted real good, she didn't pressured on those kids to collect it back, most kids really didn't knew what to do with it and after some first listening (they showed that on TV) they didn't knew what to do with it...they pronounced the music "crap". And they were right.
yardie Wrote:Hey, isn't Germany actually owned by the U.S.A. !?
Sorry for that irony, but the process of looking away is getting more and more popular here. I've seen so many situations which proved that, especially in Germany.
NOOO!! dont tell me that!! i know the left is on retreat the world over (except in Venezuela & co., haha), but i hv a vision of germany as havin a deep and active left, one of the places to which i cd always flee when our entire governmental edifice is finally completely immured in kleptocratic, nepotistic Republican domination.
but if DE is owned by the US, that just means it's owned by China w/ the U.S. as proxy
is it really that hard to not include your own personal opinion and wishful thinking to every damn thing when it comes to the neo-nazis, especially when it comes to discussing freedom of speech or plain facts?
guardian.co.uk Wrote:The neo-Nazis of the National Democratic party of Germany (NPD), a party the government tried and failed to have banned last year because of its extremist views, took a projected 9% in Saxony and 12 seats in the state parliament in Dresden, one short of Mr Schröder's party.
In Brandenburg another far-right party, the German People's Union (DVU), slightly increased its share of the vote to about 6%, taking six seats.
sounds like pretty worrying news to me.
isnt austria further along in this nazification than germany?
erbanta Wrote:is it really that hard to not include your own personal opinion and wishful thinking to every damn thing when it comes to the neo-nazis, especially when it comes to discussing freedom of speech or plain facts?
So, what's the point then ?
Besides, it wasn't my intent to define myself, my own opinion or personality in opening a thread like that. It's not a matter of right or wrong for me.
I think taking influence on manipulating younger people and human beings at all - like those kids - is a fucked - up thing - if it may be nazis, left-wing people, mass - media, foreign government an counterpolitics or else...
See. i don't want to throw all that in bowl and produce self-indulgent blabla.
yardie Wrote:See. i don't want to throw all that in bowl and produce self-indulgent blabla.
well i'm glad to hear that.
i just wanted to express my detest on us vs. them type of agitating, which i to some extent understood your first post as. a child's mind can with right tools be easily corrupted, but i also think that if censorship is the best that can be come up with against music, more time should be spent on figuring out what do the npd really want and how have they come up this far, this time withOUT the demonizing goggles on.
erbanta Wrote:... but i also think that if censorship is the best that can be come up with against music, more time should be spent on figuring out what do the npd really want and how have they come up this far, this time without the demonizing goggles on.
i totally agree with that fact.
yardie Wrote:it may be nazis, left-wing people, mass - media, foreign government an counterpolitics or else...
you forgot the very worst of all, one that is all but invisible compared to the others b/c of its entrenched historical penetration of human society..
RELIGION
Did they give away the CD on the school grounds? AFAIK political advertising in public schools is forbidden for all partys in Germany.
littleNemo Wrote:Did they give away the CD on the school grounds? AFAIK political advertising in public schools is forbidden for all partys in Germany.
..as it is in most countries in europe, including every eu country surely. dunno why i didn't thought of that..
littleNemo Wrote:Did they give away the CD on the school grounds? AFAIK political advertising in public schools is forbidden for all partys in Germany.
I know. But they actually did.
To be precise, they gave it away a few steps distance from the actual school ground, at the entrance gate.
yardie Wrote:Hey, isn't Germany actually owned by the U.S.A. !?
Sorry for that irony, but the process of looking away is getting more and more popular here. I've seen so many situations which proved that, especially in Germany.
You think? Admittedly, I've only been living in Berlin since Feb, but since I've been here I've seen a lot of open hostility towards any manifestation of fascist belief. The most eye-opening example was when the NPD held that rally here earlier in the year (to mark Hitler's birthday perhaps?) and were prevented from marching through the Brandenburg Gate by a far larger mobilisation of anti-Nazi demonstrators. Incredible stuff. Being around the city that day, it looked like the main task of the police was to try and protect isolated bands of Nazis from being scragged and rolled by roving posses of anti-Nazis.
littleNemo Wrote:Did they give away the CD on the school grounds? AFAIK political advertising in public schools is forbidden for all partys in Germany.
The Left wing parties in germany have been offering free tickets and prizes in exchange for said CD's...
So there ya go - the system is working!
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