How do we get 2 next level?

a level where good shit is produced

is that the next level?

or was that the next level?

a level where good shit is produced

is that the next level?

or was that the next level?

:fake:

1. Pieter K-Rapport
2. Aquasky-Alien Honey
3. MJ Cole-Sincere
4. Marcus Intalex & ST. Files-Lose Control
5. Calyx-Headhunter
6. Beta 2-Crystal Meth
7. Digital-Highway
8. Nucleus and Paradox-Orphic
9. Amit-MK Ultra
10. UP-The Truth
11. Konflict-Konspiracy
12. Break-Immaculate
13. Marcus Intalex-Immersed
14. Commix-If I Should Fall
15. Calibre-Second Sun


I think that the problem lies with djs. Somehow, boundaries have been built, certain tunes will never see the likes of the dancefloor. It all depends what crowd your aiming to please though. I guess we're a rare breed, don't know why shit jump-up records sell, but they do. If I was a producer, I would be aiming my tunes at djs who are getting play. Try and get my shit heard live. Whatever though, I don't really know if I understand the question. Which direction or "level" are you aiming for? Do you want the drugged out teens to say, "wait, i need music with integrity and heart", or do you want people who are in to other music scenes to stop and say, "wow. that's interesting. what is that...?"




http://www.sendspace.com/file/djm7it




p.s. can we all go work together and fuck roni size now?

[Statto]

I think that the problem lies with djs. Somehow, boundaries have been built, certain tunes will never see the likes of the dancefloor. It all depends what crowd your aiming to please though. I guess we're a rare breed, don't know why shit jump-up records sell, but they do.

popular entertainment sells more than art
DJs are nearly all entertainers
and most artists become entertainers after a while too
that's OK

jesus you miserable cunts.

(*pot, kettle, black*)


how to get to the next level. well i think i'll say it again. forget drum and bass. at least the mainstream variety. i mean, we all go on about how the DNB we are into is more interesting and ultimately to us more innovative than the dancefloor dogshit, but in a musical sense we aren't being very innovative at all. now people like sileni and martsman - thats real innovation in DNB. most of the rest of us are just making little progressions on a sound that been around for 10 years. while theres nothing really wrong with that, its hardly very fresh and new. you can't expect too many people to get excited by that. I mean, for all i know, the latest ram tune or whatever could be just as innovative as the latest paradox tune in a dnb context, just because i dont dig the ram tune doesen't make it less valid musically.

my point really is, if you want to go to the next level you are really talking about growing the scene, and IMO just making DNB for the headz wont cut it. i repeat, we could and should take a page out of the dubstep and brokenbeat scenes and use our love of breaks and bass and combine it with something else to create something new. thats innovation, thats what will get heads from outside (and maybe from within) the DNB scene to notice, and maybe then you'll be at the next level, both musically and scene-wise.

either that or forget about scenes and selling units etc and just make, listen to, and enjoy the music you like.

i dont concern myself with this crap anymore i just turn up for rehearsals and play live then take it out to dingy clubs.

[Macc]

in terms of music (musical content, good ideas, variety of tunes) we are on that level already.

Bollocks There's good stuff, but let's keep moving mofo! By which I mean - if this is as good as it gets I'm off. DnB is capable of so much more musically, let's see what we can find, eh?

it's just the rest that isnt quite on the same level

Quite possibly, but let's pretend they are and continue to PUSH.

so what youyr saying is that we should make d&b more accesible to ppl outside of the usual d&b circles in order to bring new ppl & ideas into the scene & help it to grow?

Aren't Pendelum & Shy Fx doing that already?

Maybe your onto something there since those guys sell bucketloads of records outside of the usual circles & r breaking down barriers all the time.

Now I'm not talking aout mainstream d&b which is in a very healthy state of affairs right now in terms of sales & exposure.

ah but is it - I don't think it is - I keep hearing of nights stopping, clubs empty etc etc..

with regards to the actual question - I think you have to keep doing what you are doing innit, you cant watch what is going on around you - really its a personal journey and you have to just try to get out of it what you want.

I am not sure if this pre-planned coalition thing works, I am more into subterfuge and internal change

jesus you miserable cunts.

(*pot, kettle, black*)


how to get to the next level. well i think i'll say it again. forget drum and bass. at least the mainstream variety. i mean, we all go on about how the DNB we are into is more interesting and ultimately to us more innovative than the dancefloor dogshit, but in a musical sense we aren't being very innovative at all. now people like sileni and martsman - thats real innovation in DNB. most of the rest of us are just making little progressions on a sound that been around for 10 years. while theres nothing really wrong with that, its hardly very fresh and new. you can't expect too many people to get excited by that. I mean, for all i know, the latest ram tune or whatever could be just as innovative as the latest paradox tune in a dnb context, just because i dont dig the ram tune doesen't make it less valid musically.

my point really is, if you want to go to the next level you are really talking about growing the scene, and IMO just making DNB for the headz wont cut it. i repeat, we could and should take a page out of the dubstep and brokenbeat scenes and use our love of breaks and bass and combine it with something else to create something new. thats innovation, thats what will get heads from outside (and maybe from within) the DNB scene to notice, and maybe then you'll be at the next level, both musically and scene-wise.

either that or forget about scenes and selling units etc and just make, listen to, and enjoy the music you like.

Why leave - I love drum and bass - whats wrong with wanting to make good drum and bass

- I think you have to keep doing what you are doing innit, you cant watch what is going on around you - really its a personal journey and you have to just try to get out of it what you want.

abso-fucking-lutely

[Macc]

6. consider tweaking your sound to fit a label you respect but might not otherwise get on. look at how paradox released quality tunes on metalheadz and dylans label and hospital, all without compromising his sound. it can be done without selling out. same with senses and equinox on metalheadz recently. how many more people will listen to their next releases cause they saw heard them on the metalheadz release. think globally.

your whole post was the bollocks mate

but this bit in particular... it's something i have been thinking about. i'm just scared of not doing what i feel like at any given moment, if you get me. technically speaking i feel i am able to knock out a tune suited to 'those' sort of labels, but it isn't where my heart is.

any suggestions?


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[big joyous rant]

btw all, please note that in the midst of all your miserable complaining , i am full of enthusiasm and positivity about this music . i'm not worrying about scene raa raaa really, i'm just making tunes. one or two things i've been up to (i feel) are just showing signs of really doing something a bit different. just a little little little bit, but i am intending to take that little nook and force it open. maybe even some of it might get released instead of the more standard stuff (big up rohan there).

grand talk, aye, but amen, 808, mentasms, dub samples and other standard stuff will only go so far.

i'm fucking well excited.

taking liberties with the form/format is where it is at!

key changes! trumpets! saxomephones ! more sitar! more cowbell ! vocals that really say something! other time sigs! all other shit that i can't even say because i don't even know what it is but it's out there!

wooohoo!

there's all kinds of stuff that hasn't been explored yet, and like i say i don't even know what half that shit is, but man it will be fun to find out.

i reckon if people like, say, scart really took that 'i don't give a fuck about this dnb shit' and put it into making a tune at 170bpm, they could make some bad arse shit that fits enough criteria to be called dnb, but pisses all over the rest.


last thing :d

people are rather conditioned - that is they hear an amen and it makes them go mental. peeps need to be weaned onto the next shit. 'the scene bus can't travel nowhere' (jesus i hate saying shit like that) without having the metaphorical musical 'road' to travel on, and that needs 'openminded people tarmac', which in turn needs some time and the emergence of truly new shit to be produced.


get in your studio and make something a totally different way. get that indian meditation 18 minute chant cd you bought off reader's digest and turn it into something cool.


i'm having whale of a time.

[/big joyous rant]


p.s. senses

if u don't watch what's going on around you how can u make tunes that the public r gonna buy?

You need 2 do your market research first & foremost b4 u create your product.

Otherwise you'll have something that doesn't sell,despite being a great idea,concept,tune,product in the creators eyes at least.

[Macc]

You're talking about pop music.

Drum n bass in sound/form - but pop music.

Bleurgh!

:maccisanaiveidealist:

You can't be 'TEH undahground shit' AND be big selling popular music. That quandary needs sorting out.

You need 2 do your market research first & foremost b4 u create your product.
.

if i wanted to make products i'd work for Vidal Sasson.
Products suck.

if u don't watch what's going on around you how can u make tunes that the public r gonna buy?

You need 2 do your market research first & foremost b4 u create your product.

Otherwise you'll have something that doesn't sell,despite being a great idea,concept,tune,product in the creators eyes at least.

I think you can have a general awarenness without feeling bullied into conforming which is more what I meant..

ps just wanted to edit to add- by bullying I accept that often that is actually pressure someone applies to themselves

Without the huge mega selling projects this scene would have died a longtime ago or completely changed form at least.

Not that the deep stuff isn't valid but when you hear guys struggling to sell a 1000 copies you know it's longevity is very limited unless some change or compromise is made soon.

[Macc]

Not that the deep stuff isn't valid but when you hear guys struggling to sell a 1000 copies you know it's longevity is very limited unless some change or compromise is made soon.

Get a fucking real job then (not @ you AO). People that piss on the music to live the musician's life are cunts *. The music is more important, at least to a lot of people.

*I did have an intelligent phrase in there, but 'cunts' said it better.

Has anyone ever in the history of mankind 'pissed on music'?

Honest answer please

:P

[Macc]

I once relieved myself on a copy of The Jets, 'Love Makes The World Go Round' when I was about 4.

I started hating from an early age.

True story.



And if you want an honest answer, three words.

Robson

and

Jerome.

Robson & Jerome sold millions & r stilll loved by their fans.

So not the best example to use....

[Macc]

Robson & Jerome sold millions

Silly me. It must be good then.


This is a rather pointless discussion AO, simply because we've had it many times.

You judge music's success by units, I judge it by the music.

What irritates me a bit is that for someone who insists that selling it (dare I say selling out) is the mark of success, you make underground-sounding relatively deep not-particularly commercial sounding dnb, contrary to the judgement criterion I mentioned above.

You may well make ubercheesy ultra commercial music elsewhere, but you don't do it under your (rightly) beloved Alpha Omega or Nubian Minds/z monikers, and I find that quite inconsistent with what you're saying about sales being the bottom line. If it really was the bottom line you'd make cheesy music using your AO moniker to take advantage of that as well as rope lots of cheeseheads in with the music itself.


In short - how come you ain't making ultrawobble then? Why do you still come on here rather than whoring about on bananarena etc to generate sales?

I simply don't understand


Please don't take this the wrong way - I certainly don't presume to tell you how to conduct your business - your experience far far outweighs mine. I am obviously missing something somewhere - it just appears from what I read vs what I hear on CD that what you say and what it appears that you do are very different.

I'm sure there's plenty of things about me that irritate you, so feel free to let off

no Macc,nothing about u irritates me.

I'm a very understanding guy.

I like music based on what I like,not on sales.

But I don't slAG off everything that sells or does well just to fit in with the uber-cool crowd.

Fuck that bullshit

[Macc]

but i don't slag off everything that sells or does well just to fit in with the uber-cool crowd.

fuck that bullshit

is that what you think i'm doing then?

that's mistaken - dunno if you saw my posts about pendulum's in whatever thread it was. i thought that still grey was pretty good

i slag off music i have heard and feel/believe to be shite, end of. speculative hating is a pointless endeavour. btw shite is of course a personally defined quantity/parameter. but i don't use 'it sold loads' as an excuse to justify wank like robson and jerome. thier version of unchained melody is awful! they can't even sing!!