couple beginner tutorial writeups i did

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That will make very interesting reading Twisted

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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
Macc Wrote:That will make very interesting reading Twisted

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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
I've found it quite straightforward to chop breaks in Logic, at least no more fiddly than checking all the chop points in recycle. With a bit of colour coding this can really open up the possibilities.. I do however often find myself bouncing against the limitations or Dr.Rex in Reason and forgetting this myself. I if anyone is interested they can look here...

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may04/ar...cnotes.htm

Worth a good read Grin
nexus8 Wrote:all very true...thank the LORD for teh fakking internet! LOL! i might still be trying to make choons in acid....hahahha! any person can learn from there own mistakes, but it saves sooooo much time to learn from the mistakes and experiences of others. really appreciate u all takin the time to do all the explainin you do on here. can't tell u how happy i am to have found out about this mb. i think in a week i've already acquired more production knowledge then i could've in a year tryin to figure this shit out on my own. hopefully soon i will be able to contribute as well Wink

agreed. it's a hard time when your'e starting out regarding fast methods and lots of technical jargon, and therefore great to see people taking the time out to give some much needed advice.

i also used the audio lane to chop my breaks and then rearrange by hand to start with, but because of my lack of knowledge surrounding snapping/quantizing/chopping correctly it could take me literally hours to get a 16 bar break done properly. haha.

therefore i started trying out battery combined with recycle and it's improved my workrate a hell of a lot recently -i was actually able to write over 2 minutes of a track, beats and all in less than 3 days ansd thats just the start of it... so who knows what method i'll keep.
best to chop and change at the start of producing and see what's best i think.

one thing that aggravated me with programs like recycle/battery is that on the occasion where a lot of complex chopping was being done it was still quite hard to quantize all those little midi notes effeciently, as opposed to having the break part in audio in front of you.
the only advantage of battery was that the hits would all be quantized in relation to the settings in cubase but i'm sure that can be done with audio anyway once i figure it out.

i liked to be able to see the whole break in front of me in the interface and be able to reference parts easier, creating a groove in my head in a way that suited me best.
this 'open piano roll, quantize to 1/64 or 1/32' just for a few edits did try my patience a bit -like you just want to get on and write the bloody track! Icon_evil

anyway i'll stop rambling, losing production time Teef
but just a few thoughts.
lol aight ill do up the quantization writeup tommorrow i swear, maybe help ya out a bit
Kisskiss

Hahaha
Macc Wrote:What? Baffled

where?
nexus8 Wrote:see i dunno.... i don't think i've ever used recycle for choppage... Oops

most of the breaks i have on my computer are relatively the same tempo, so i usually just beatcalculate how fast the original break is and set that as the tempo in cubase. of course that's always gonna be off a bit so i just use the time stretch function to make it fit perfectly in the grid. after that its all scissors for me. just using the "snap to" button and setting the quantize to like 1/16 or 1/32- it's real easy to cut out each hit, move em around, time stetch em or reverse.....i agr33 with macc about recycle NOT being teh fun sauce...so i sought out alternatives...although i am a complete n3wb at this shit so i could be totally talking out me arse. :P

Depending on what kind of style/feel you are going for of course...but if you are dealing with breakbeats and want to retain the feel of how the original drummer played in and some of the groove - that organic feel for want of a better word - once you have the hits in your sampler try turing snap off and moving the individual hits about by hand within a bar or drum phrase.

This is often very good for parts of the break other than the kick or snare (you might want to get them right on the grid for that solid feel, though I've know that some producers have made tunes with snares that are very off the grid and sound wicked).
yea another thing you can do instead of timestretching your hits from a break if you want a hard quantization setting is to edit the individual hits to fill the entire 1/64, 1/32, 1/16 etc span sort of the same way as extending a looping sound except you're gonna have to mess with volume envelops and such to make it sound Cool right
well here's the latest track i've been working on employing this technique: http://s12.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3OCG2...MM2TLTB3KA

any thoughts or comments would be greatly appreciated. my first song though so go ez, eh? ;p
all choppage done with scissors.
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damn i wish my first song had sounded this good Icon_eek
get some mixing down and eqing done on this man but i dig it
wow thanks -=]
yah...not my particularly special field (eq/mixing)....write-ups anyone? Grin hehe

also, i have always wondered about mixing and eq'n midi (softsynths)
i know midi is basically just numbers telling a synthesizer what to do, but is the only way to shape the sound possible via the synths interface? or is it ok to do a mix down of the track with that synth solo'd and then just eq and mix it in .wav form? Baffled
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You can apply effects/eq/whatever on the output channel of the desired VST synth/sampler in the mixer in Cubase Smile Hit f3 and away you go Smile

FWIW, hide the midi channels - they are pointless.
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
Oops sorry...i've been staring at my mixer for a bit now and still don't quite understand what you're saying Icon_sad
here's a screenshot, if you could brifely describe, or maybe put a lil red circle around what i'm supposed to be clicking here to eq my vst's (say, the legecay cell) i would grrrrrrrrrrreatly appreciate it Grin <333
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nexus8 Wrote:Oops sorry...i've been staring at my mixer for a bit now and still don't quite understand what you're saying Icon_sad
here's a screenshot, if you could brifely describe, or maybe put a lil red circle around what i'm supposed to be clicking here to eq my vst's (say, the legecay cell) i would grrrrrrrrrrreatly appreciate it Grin <333
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it's the little e symbol on each channel. that's where you can add fx and eq to the desired track.
basically means 'edit' for want of reference.

i don't even use the mixer as yet, find it easier to adjust each channel individually right now but i guess when i get close to finishing/finalising a track it will come in handy, especially when you have a lot of elements present and need to slightly tweak things.
Baffled
use the mixer muttley! but yea the circled e, to apply fxs, hopefully you have some vst eqs cause the built in cubase ones are pretty shit.
Presumably you know how to do it as you have inserts applied on channels already Baffled
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
Macc Wrote:Presumably you know how to do it as you have inserts applied on channels already Baffled

yes yes...THISSSSS was the problem.... i know how to apply inserts on an audio track, but when trying to do it with midi, it would never work, BECUZZZZ i was trying to add inserts on the MIIIDDIIII channel, NOT the VST chanel....
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Rofl

cuz all the inserts you can apply on the midi channel are like, quantize, midi echo, etc...bleh, useless shite for me. omg though...i feel like a whole new world has been open to me -=D
thx <3
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Its daft little things like that which completely outwit you when you start out with cubase or whatever. I remember it well Hahaha
Deadly Habit Wrote:use the mixer muttley! but yea the circled e, to apply fxs, hopefully you have some vst eqs cause the built in cubase ones are pretty shit.

iv'e been using it now and then but find it easier for adjusting volumes etc to go into each tracks edit channel settings -maybe i'm missing something here in what the mixer can do otherwise but i don't know.
haven't made enough progress to warrant mixing things down properly.

i don't have any other eqs as yet, just trying to learn the software seeing as i bought it i may as well make the best of it.
it's becoming quite apparent to me that you just can't make professional sounding tracks with such basic eqs and fx - some of it is good to me now but i will look into other eqs, maybe free ones and the like that are listed in that sticky thread as it's only a matter of time before i feel totally trapped by the limitations.
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