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#26
fanu Wrote:...preventing bassline and kicks from clashing Smile

big fat sidechain compression Homerdrool
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#27
titanium Wrote:
fanu Wrote:...preventing bassline and kicks from clashing Smile

big fat sidechain compression Homerdrool

bollox to that in most d&b, i wouldnt want to duck bass when my kick hits. just learn to mix properly :P
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#28
scope Wrote:oh and you'll want a set of open backed cans. closed are good for isolating sound for use as monitor phones when an artist is recording and you dont want a mic to pic up bleed. but shite for mix decisions.

Yes i found out the hard way. Icon_sad
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#29
scope Wrote:bollox to that in most d&b, i wouldnt want to duck bass when my kick hits. just learn to mix properly :P

did it ever occur that this technique when used correctly (im not talking erik-prydz-queercore-house) could be a means to make a mix proper? :P
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#30
scope Wrote:if its to mix on you need to spend A WHOLE LOT of cash on cans to replace a set of monitors, and even then you cant judge stereo imaging properly, no matter what cans you're using.

I respectfully disagree Smile

I have big trouble doing stereo imaging on monitors after so much mixing on cans. No bother on cans Smile I know about HTF's and all that, but read this article at Sound On Sound Smile

Hugh Robjohns Wrote:In general, though, when listening via headphones the spatial image will be spread along a line running between the ears, and most definitely inside the head. We all get used to this fairly easily, but the real problem is that the linearity of the panning proportions is rather different from that experienced on loudspeakers. There is no simple way to adapt to this other than by building experience.

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#31
titanium Wrote:
scope Wrote:bollox to that in most d&b, i wouldnt want to duck bass when my kick hits. just learn to mix properly :P

did it ever occur that this technique when used correctly (im not talking erik-prydz-queercore-house) could be a means to make a mix proper? :P

It's a botch job mate. If you have to apply loads of shit to get your mix right, there's more fundamental issues if you ask me.

Pick the right sounds and you don't even need eq. The more processing you need, the more you have to question why you're mixing those sounds in the first place.

The best way to make tunes:

Get right sounds

Hit record

play sounds

Play back.



It's idealistic, I know, but the closer you can get to that ideal, the easier your mixing will be, and the better your tunes will sound.

All IMO of course.
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#32
I just knew you were gonna mix in Lol
Y.O. is quite correct, but i also believe that like war, there is no law in production: if there is a technique that suits your needs, use it!
you can be "conservative" on how the kick/bass should be done, but what if you dont wanna compromise in the way of boosting/cutting freqs. then it could be a good solution!
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#33
titanium Wrote:but what if you dont wanna compromise in the way of boosting/cutting freqs.

Then put the right sounds in.

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#34
but what if those "right sounds" don't sound right in the mix Teef
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#35
Then they aren't the right sounds you bloody nana. Hahaha Banana
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#36
Macc Wrote:Then they aren't the right sounds you bloody nana. Hahaha Banana

what if the right sounds are the wrong sounds in the wrong place masquerading as the right to the ceratin point at which they are no longer wrong? Teef
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#37
Then you're a fuckwit.
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#38
Macc Wrote:Then they aren't the right sounds you bloody nana. Hahaha Banana

Hahaha


now plz, what was this topic about again?? Boobies ????
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#39
macc Wrote:then you're a fuckwit.

oh.

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#40
batfink Wrote:what if the right sounds are the wrong sounds in the wrong place masquerading as the right to the ceratin point at which they are no longer wrong? Teef

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#41
ontopic plz! this man needs help with his monitors/headphones and boobies!!
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#42
Hahaha
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#43
titanium Wrote:I just knew you were gonna mix in Lol
Y.O. is quite correct, but i also believe that like war, there is no law in production: if there is a technique that suits your needs, use it!
you can be "conservative" on how the kick/bass should be done, but what if you dont wanna compromise in the way of boosting/cutting freqs. then it could be a good solution!

I dont see the good mixing practice of creating space for each sound as a comprimise at all.

If anything in fact if thats the reason you want to use a sidechain comp then by doing that you are comprimising - because you cant give each sound its own space in the mix you do something that just essentially turns down one sound when the other hits.

give me a realistic example of why you would want to do that in d&b with kick and snare for purposs of a 'better' mix and I'll gladly be corrected.

Using it for artistic purposes is different. Here we are talking about solid mixes.
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#44
Macc Wrote:
scope Wrote:if its to mix on you need to spend A WHOLE LOT of cash on cans to replace a set of monitors, and even then you cant judge stereo imaging properly, no matter what cans you're using.

I respectfully disagree Smile

I have big trouble doing stereo imaging on monitors after so much mixing on cans. No bother on cans Smile I know about HTF's and all that, but read this article at Sound On Sound Smile

Hugh Robjohns Wrote:In general, though, when listening via headphones the spatial image will be spread along a line running between the ears, and most definitely inside the head. We all get used to this fairly easily, but the real problem is that the linearity of the panning proportions is rather different from that experienced on loudspeakers. There is no simple way to adapt to this other than by building experience.

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looks a good article - ill def read that properly soon.

im just going from my own experience here bob, and yes you are likely right - Ive mixed far more on monitors than cans..

the one thing you can never get away from is that with cans the left ear can never hear output from the right channel and vice versa.
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#45
and btw bob i love it when you respectfully disagree, always makes me sit up and think deeper...
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#46
it's all about choice mate, im not just talking dnb, that discussion is pre-2001 for me. everything said above is true, macc is on point i dont deny (i wouldnt dare to Grin). im just saying that everything has a purpose, its subjectivity that makes the purpose good or bad. thats all!

now back to boobs please Wink
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#47
titanium Wrote:it's all about choice mate, im not just talking dnb, that discussion is pre-2001 for me.

of course its about choice, buts its more of an artistic effect than a mix decision. If we're talking about how to mix your kicks and bass so they sit well together, each with their own space (which was where this started), then sidechain compression isnt the answer. It wasnt the answer pre-2001, it isnt the answer now, and it wont be the answer in the future. :P

titanium Wrote:everything said above is true, macc is on point i dont deny (i wouldnt dare to Grin).

yep bob knows his shizzle.

titanium Wrote:im just saying that everything has a purpose, its subjectivity that makes the purpose good or bad. thats all!

we werent really talking about anything too subjective though; a badly mixed drum and bass section (not the genre, but drums, and errr.....bass Hahaha) is a badly mixed drum and bass section.

titanium Wrote:now back to boobs please Wink

Boobies
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#48
titanium Wrote:ontopic plz! this man needs help with his monitors/headphones and boobies!!

yes! i was thinking the sony mdr-7506 phones!

and also, what kind of silicone should i use, or should i take growth hormones! i hear hormones make it seem au naturale!


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k so it may take me a few hours to properly digest all this information about separation and all this business, and using the right sounds etc... i'm learning a bit about sidechain compression, and it seems cool, you said it's not, macc, and i am a fan of your work as well, so who am i to disagree? Wink buuuuuuuut i'm just gonna have to try things and see how it works out.

may take a minute tho cuz yea i'm on this WACK desktop setup and shit...gotta get proper gear.

and oh yeah, i took down my myspace site because i recently discovered that myspace is gay. imo.

OK!. so. if you guys don't mind continuing this discussion, please do. i'll make sure i print it off and study it, and pick apart the bits about boobies and 35Hz > 60Hz and vice versa, and further dissecting the question of what IF the right sounds are the wrong sounds in the wrong place masquerading as the right to the certain point at which they are no longer wrong... untill i make a dope tune and/or go insane!

discuss.

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#49
tritone theory Wrote:i'm learning a bit about sidechain compression, and it seems cool, you said it's not, macc, and i am a fan of your work as well, so who am i to disagree? Wink

you are you, and as entitled as the next man to disagree, but if you do, make sure you know on what grounds you're disagreeing Wink

fwiw i dont think you should take maccs words as saying 's/c comping is shit'.

the point macc and i are trying to get across is that its not a substitution for a poorly mixed drum track and bass track.

it has its place, more so in other forms of music than d&b (and of course there are many other uses for sidechaining such as de-essing), but this particular kick/bass s/c setup in my view is more a creative effect than a mix tool.

tritone theory Wrote:buuuuuuuut i'm just gonna have to try things and see how it works out.

exactly. it really is the only way

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#50
@Scope

there're so many different ways of getting things done, so i couldn't say i would pick one way and go with it. i think i HAVE heard a few good dnb tunes that used sidechaining, where it seemd like bass and kick were dodging around each other, and it sounded dope... i.e. Noisia - Subdue... so i can see what you mean by it being a possible creative influence, but not a necessary approach. and furthermore, what defines necessary? Wink

@Macc

would it not be somewhat limiting to only base your mixdowns on the idea of just using the "right sounds"? of course that's probably something you develop an ear for over time... i'd love to be able to have the right arsenal at my fingertips, but it may take some time to build up the right collection of sounds pertaining to what i want to do. but in theory, that is the essence of production, so i suppose there's 2 sides to the coin on that one. which means i am now having an argument with myself. could this mean I'M schizo? Icon123

it'd seem i would have at least had some of this shit figured out by now, as i've been serious about production for about 5 years. of course the main thing i always put into tracks was more midrange influence, rather than low end untill recently... and thus i've reached the biggest challenge i've met so far. think it's about time i just start collecting a better setup cuz it seems i'm at a standstill now. Roll
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