Loudness Wars/RMS/Sound grumble

[Macc]

After mastering?

That's average RMS, yeah?

After mastering?

That's average RMS, yeah?

average yes mastering (sort of) ruff dub mixes and ting

[Macc]

6dB with L1 crew

6dB with L1 crew

6dB with L1 crew

checked my last finished tune, 11-13 rms average. any more and it sounds distorted to my ears.

[Macc]

6dB with L1 crew

I sincerely hope you aren't doing 6 dB with L1

checked my last finished tune, 11-13 rms average. any more and it sounds distorted to my ears.

11-13 avg RMS is a bit vague (and makes a noticeable difference loudness wise) Which was it?

I think if you're doing it just to get loud, then yes that is pretty much teh ghey...

But when used as a musical thing, um, yeah a musical thing is the best way I can describe it then yknow, let it chill, some people dont mind it when put into the right context, Venetian Snares Kru in the house although thats mostly just hard distortion.

I have no idea what im talking about

[subvert]

I have no idea what im talking about

6dB with L1 crew

I sincerely hope you aren't doing 6 dB with L1

checked my last finished tune, 11-13 rms average. any more and it sounds distorted to my ears.

11-13 avg RMS is a bit vague (and makes a noticeable difference loudness wise) Which was it?

i usually run -4 to -6 with the GPP these days. when i first discovered the L1 etc i went a bit overboard (-8 or worse ) and everything to me now sounds a distorted mess

the track i was looking at peaked at about -11rms, and at its lowest would have been -13-14 i meant. i'm still pretty new to the mastering at home crew but quickly realised less is more usually, unless the aim of the track is to be a super super hard dark mental dancefloor smasher etc etc

I hear what your saying Bob,and if it compromises your principles then don't do it. It's not like ppl are hating your tunes because they're not as loud as Fresh's latest (master) piece,is it?



But for me,I've realised I want to sell a shitload of records & need 2 do what the masses want so have to get the record as loud & catchy as fuck,pretty much has 2 get the crowd going mad in the 1st couple bars or forget about it!

For me that means big,loud,simple drums that smack the hell out of a club soundsystem along with huge basslines with loads of midrange processing for that 'drug-induced' hysteria effect and simple arrangements so as to not confuse the dj's too much as they're not the brightest bunch (me included)

But for me I'm completely happy to do that & always wanted to be a bit of a superstar anyhow so don't mind the change in sound or direction if it brings financial rewards.

I hear what your saying Bob,and if it compromises your principles then don't do it. It's not like ppl are hating your tunes because they're not as loud as Fresh's latest (master) piece,is it?



But for me,I've realised I want to sell a shitload of records & need 2 do what the masses want so have to get the record as loud & catchy as fuck,pretty much has 2 get the crowd going mad in the 1st couple bars or forget about it!

For me that means big,loud,simple drums that smack the hell out of a club soundsystem along with huge basslines with loads of midrange processing for that 'drug-induced' hysteria effect and simple arrangements so as to not confuse the dj's too much as they're not the brightest bunch (me included)

But for me I'm completely happy to do that & always wanted to be a bit of a superstar anyhow so don't mind the change in sound or direction if it brings financial rewards.

i need to check what my rms is on my tracks, but since we're on the subject will someone listen to my stuff and tell me what they think (regardless of the mp3 quality)? i try to get my stuff as loud as i can without compromising the production.

http://www.myspace.com/norik
http://www.myspace.com/thenordics

aim me and i can send a 320kbps...

-0.05 or STFU

[Macc]

Well, I heard a tune or two of mine on ESB's show the other day, and although they were coming in one ear (busted old headphones) and in mono anyway, they sounded pretty fucking fat to me (really good actually consdiering the dial up stream quality ).

So, fuss over.

But if you have to do 4 to 6 dB of gain reduction to get an avg RMS of 11, you really need to take a look at your mix, IMHO

I hear what your saying Bob,and if it compromises your principles then don't do it. It's not like ppl are hating your tunes because they're not as loud as Fresh's latest (master) piece,is it?



But for me,I've realised I want to sell a shitload of records & need 2 do what the masses want so have to get the record as loud & catchy as fuck,pretty much has 2 get the crowd going mad in the 1st couple bars or forget about it!

For me that means big,loud,simple drums that smack the hell out of a club soundsystem along with huge basslines with loads of midrange processing for that 'drug-induced' hysteria effect and simple arrangements so as to not confuse the dj's too much as they're not the brightest bunch (me included)

But for me I'm completely happy to do that & always wanted to be a bit of a superstar anyhow so don't mind the change in sound or direction if it brings financial rewards.

Your honesty is superb.

KvR thread looking at a track from the new Muse album - http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic....05&start=0

Peaks Maximum: 0.00 dB left, 0.00 dB right
RMS Maximum: -1.47 dB left, -1.72 dB right
RMS Average: -4.61 dB left, -5.27 dB right

Blimey.

Also includes a demonstration that it's actually quieter than a Merzbow tune...

[Macc]

RMS Average: -4.61 dB left, -5.27 dB right

how the fuck do they get it that loud?

[Macc]

Packing as much mono signal in as possible, compressing and limiting to within an inch of its life, removing all dynamic content, peaking at 0dB all the time etc etc...

WHY the fuck do they get it that loud, more to the point?

well,i can understand why and to be blunt rock music & d&b really suit that 'make it as loud as possible' ethos.I just need to know how 2 make it all as loud as that & still sound clear and energetic.

I mean just bunging waves l2 on the stereo masters isn't enough,surely

[Macc]

Making it loud is one thing, but surely all the time and effort that went into playing well, recording well, playing with dynamics and emphasising sections, having impact etc... All gone.

I'd imagine they used all the tricks in the book on something like this - bottom up compression, parallel compression, multiband compression, straight up full band compression (probably 2 or 3 comps staged), multiband width adjustment (probably prior to the comping), limiting (possibly several, staged again)... Oh and probably some eq of course

I'd still like to hear the mastered ones against the original mixdowns at the same subjective level to see which is better though. Guess where my money's going...

same subjective level

why is it so hard for people to understand this?!?!?!?



fuck this, i'm going to play some bebop and not think about it.

[Macc]

same subjective level

why is it so hard for people to understand this?!?!?!?

Innit

fuck this, i'm going to play some bebop and not think about it.

I'm going to play double pedal tones

i mixed down 4 tracks last night and still averaging pretty much -15 ish on all tracks

[Macc]

Pre/post mastering?