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[Macc]

i don't give a flying ballsack who uses them - to my ears they aren't very good.



do the same thing on, i dunno, a drum track with the waves req and the sonalksis eq, set it exactly the same, and you'll see what i mean.

the req is roughly ten years old now, and software's developed by a phenomenal amount in that time.

Macc, have you tried PSP Neon HR? Sounds very good!

i don't give a flying ballsack who uses them - to my ears they aren't very good.



do the same thing on, i dunno, a drum track with the waves req and the sonalksis eq, set it exactly the same, and you'll see what i mean.

the req is roughly ten years old now, and software's developed by a phenomenal amount in that time.

your preaching to the converted buddyboy.

i donn't like em,never have...but when i read interviews with guys i respected talking about how good they are it threw me for a loop

though that being said,it was primarily guys who engineer/master pop/hip hop & very commercially minded music so maybe therein lies the issue?

i don't give a flying ballsack who uses them - to my ears they aren't very good.



do the same thing on, i dunno, a drum track with the waves req and the sonalksis eq, set it exactly the same, and you'll see what i mean.

the req is roughly ten years old now, and software's developed by a phenomenal amount in that time.

your preaching to the converted buddyboy.

i donn't like em,never have...but when i read interviews with guys i respected talking about how good they are it threw me for a loop

though that being said,it was primarily guys who engineer/master pop/hip hop & very commercially minded music so maybe therein lies the issue?

well, they do sound very clinical (one of the reason why martsman's tracks sound like they do) ... they're just not so warm sounding like the ssl or urs ones.

[Macc]

To me they sound kind of grainy. Not as clinical as things like the Q, which sound very cold. Even a high precision super digital thing like Gliss EQ has some beautiful effect on the sound without being a colouring eq.

When were these articles written though AO, the ones you refer to? They must be pretty old by now.

Oh, not tried the Neon thing... but now I have my UAD I doubt I ever will

the last one was by the guy who mixes down all the 'black eyed peas' stuff...it was in th jan2007 of Sound on Sound i think.

[Macc]

Oh well.

ah come one, u can't b like that.

Once a guy's great at his job u have 2 respect that & I'm in no position to be turning down bits knowledge like I know everything or am better than anybody. U get me????

The guy was talking about h is black eyed peas project because it was convenient but he was an old white dude who's been in the business for decades so u know he's worked with some badman from back in the day it's just that now the music the labels present him with is the likes of B.E.P & Pussycat Dolls,etc...

what can u do?

so he uses exclusively waves plugs? no outboard eq/comps?

and has he tried URS?

[Macc]

ah come one, u can't b like that.

Like what?

I was saying 'Oh well, what do I know'. No need to lead off ghuy

Wave's eq are alright for certain sounds, but for big sounds like drums and bass, they sound very tinny/scratchy to me. Almost like they were put through Reason.

I prefer Kjaerhus or URS plugs. Usually Kjaerhus's Gold EQ since it's a great sounding parametric and it's also very CPU efficient. URS is great for fattening up though

Myabe that Engineer who loves Waves is still using it because it is decent, he spent a ton of money on the bundle a few years back, and he's used to them since he's used it so much. There's a lot of great engineers that use certain gear because they've been using that stuff for years and have learned them and are comfortable with them. However, they are also busy engineers that don't want to waste time learning every new product that comes out when they are getting lots of projects to work on. They are happy with what they have so why move on? However, a lot of people on here like new great gear/software, so we all try it out

I don't know though, I'm just blabbering

[Macc]

join the club

i agree 100% with said blabbering though

ive been using wavesarts software recently..stumbled upon them thinking they were waves apps actually but they seem ok...the interface is a bit confusing but the sounds they produce seem ok

wavearts r ok but the problem is with every plug they do there's a better dedicated product out for the job.

To me they sound kind of grainy. Not as clinical as things like the Q, which sound very cold.

thought we were talking bout the Q ones


kjaerhus EQ: I love it for substractive drum eqing. but one shouldn't use it to boost (especially higher frequencies) ... too cpu-friendly I suppose

yeah Macc,kind of lost me there

not sure what we were talking about now :/

kjaerhus EQ: I love it for substractive drum eqing. but one shouldn't use it to boost (especially higher frequencies) ... too cpu-friendly I suppose

Yep, good call. It's excellent at subtractive though and that's usually the main type of EQ I use (as well as most of us nerds).

For boosting I LOVE Voxengo's GlissEQ. Gotta always be careful with boostin though

are there any articles online about subtractive eq'ing???

just realized it's another of the many things I haven't readup on or learnt much/enough about.

I usually know what frequencies to subtract say in the lower regions (depending on the sound) but wouldn't have a clue where 2 start on the mid frequencies on anything!



so for example,let's say I had a drum track i usually end up cutting back sub frequencies (below 50hz sometimes more if it works) and boosting tops around 2.5khz

& that's it!

not really sure what to do with the mids :/

& that's not just on drums...also bass,vocals (real newbie on that especially),synths/pads,guitar,etc...

I think the other reason why I don't fuck around with mids much is I'm not sure my old tannoy reveals expose exactly what I'm doing....they're not exactly the creme de la creme of the monitor world.

actually there's not much to it. it just sounds better, because the eqed track gets "straightened" in a way.

just think "inverse" ... instead of boosting 2.5k try lowering the other frequencies and use the gain to compensate.

subtractive eq on drums is merely a means to make it possible to raise the overall volume of the drumtrack without exaggerating the annoying bits of sound. cut those frequencies that are annoying (i think the most common method has been described quite a few times on here... that is 1. search the resonating frequenices with a high-q maximum boost band 2. cut those frequencies 3. lower the q and decrease the cutting amount until it sounds best))
...and then raise the volume of the whole track (or compress even more, etc.)

but on the other hand: you shouldn't trade in the lush and rough ao sound for some slick studio trickery. boost may sound not as clean as cut, but sometimes that's just not important

[Macc]

I was talking about the REQ's - no one uses the Q ones

Re subtractive eq, it just makes sense to remove the shit bits before boosting the good bits to me... But then remember that things are relative.

What I mean is that, - to give a very crude example; 1kHz is shit in your drum sample. You boost everything loads except 1kHz. But now you have to turn down the track in the mix or cos it's caning headroom etc. So why not just turn down 1kHz in the first place? a) it is quicker b) it has less potential problems for the signal (phase etc) c) less chance of ballsing up your mix as you're not faffing about with loads of gain changes - just removing shit bits.

Once the shit's gone, you can enhance the good stuff with a big fat juicy eq

Like UAD Pultec

I was talking about the REQ's - no one uses the Q ones

i do in soundforge for removing rumble and slight adding to top end :P
but the rest is done in sx on the uad of course

I was talking about the REQ's - no one uses the Q ones

Just recently Martsman sent me a tune which he can't finish atm (writer's block bla bla) and so he asked me to do it.

It's FULL of Waves Q-EQs and it sounds

[Macc]

Martsman's stuff is always exceedingly well mixed, but definitely has a super-clinical sound to it. This would explain it Would you agree?

His stuff sounds sooooo different to mine, for example. I like fat chunky eq's with bundles of character

Martsman's stuff is always exceedingly well mixed, but definitely has a super-clinical sound to it. This would explain it Would you agree?

Yes, of course - that's why I pointed this out. On the other hand, he is an incredible thorough producer. His "screen layouts" in Buzz always look amazingly tidy. Mine look like a pile of wires
That kinda is reflected in his sound (errm, in mine too, hahaha)

His stuff sounds sooooo different to mine, for example. I like fat chunky eq's with bundles of character

He's started using more valve-type of gear too lately, but there's still this almost surgical precision to his tracks.
A big part is his usage of Waves TrueVerb (with huge amounts of ER) and those EQs...

...the other part is probably just the man being a feckin robot (with a big heart)

[Macc]

and to all that :d