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#51

Paradigm X Wrote:With your permission, and statto's maybe we can take out the discussiony bits out of this thread and only leave in comments relating to the tdd2 ? dunno up to mick as well i suppose. A good solid sc discussion going on here.

might just as well leave them in Smile
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prescriptivists Roll
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i have to clear this up. bad form from me. only today i realised that even though my last comment was meant as a lighthearted euphimism for "the wise one has spoken":

http://www.subvertcentral.com/forum/view...ca&t=25502

...this made me realise that it could appear differently, and even though i tried to stay on a diplomatic route, i ploughed through that with a load of unnecessary, off topic ranting. droid, humblest apologies for my short sighted argumentativeness here. my arrogance has also removed any thanks pitch i wished to give for the critique, which in this thread i really respect. looking back i've come off sounding like a stubborn thoughtless bastard in rebuttal. that's not right. that's not me. and no-one with thought to give should get that. sorry sir Kisskiss

droid Wrote:personally i relish thoughtful criticism of the stuff i put out. a hundred big ups (though nice and higly appreciated Smile ) arent worth one decent critique imo. sure its annoying, but good criticism, though hard to swallow sometimes actually helps an artist (or whoever) to refine their work. you may not agree, but i find a critic actually makes you think more about what it is youre actually trying to do - much more than an army of yes men...

and the thing is i completely agree.
cripes. i don't know what's up. there's definitely been an unnatural complex developed (lots of arrogance, i'm never normally so bullish) to go through with this. lone admin possibly taken its toll a bit over four months. and at launch week, i think that culmination must be it.

Quote:maybe this is cos im ultra-critical of my own stuff, and most of the people i work with have very high standards as well. also i may assume others are as thick (or metal :d ) skinned as me and can take it on the chin when someone does make a valid criticism. so to both of you, sorry for any offense.

no offense taken, even if it may look like that. what bit me i'm sure was someone in your experience making such snap judgements; the analysis over what's actually up, what is the core of it misinterpreted. this part is really frustrating for me as i am yet to explain a lot of it out of the zip. and i'd like to keep a sort of continuity with other forums and posts. ultra-critical here too but i think i went too far with validating my own angles. that's where touchiness and obsessiveness may be crossing other wires here with how my explanations are viewed. a lot of thought was spent. i'm as dense an egg as you may well be and pandering isn't what i favour where feedback matters.

as for the thread itself, its purpose is also frustrating to partly conceal. these threads are as hinted more the 'suffix' points as it were. the full lowdown that can be referenced when i have other bits linked to it all. i'll leave confirmations until i can ensure they'll work. my preferences and opinions on convenience aren't so relevant.
to clarify i've never actually been on weareie, only a couple of mixes related in the past at most...if i'm remembering right Smile

and i agree with statto to leave this in, it's something i'll learn from, something which i thought i'd abstained from too - flying off the handle without stepping back to look.

god damn Hahaha

now, i hope i can get on the breakdowns in good time!

Wave
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#54

paradigm x Wrote:hi droid

yeah we did resolve amicably, it just stands out in my mind as an unusual situation. i wasnt bitter, am not still, it was perfectly valid criticism. it was just to my mind a bit irrelevant, like saying 'great set but i didnt like the tshirt you had on.' i should have explained better...

it really wasnt aimed at a dig at you, it was just your response to this thread reminded me of the other time, and i felt like mentioning it.

Xyxthumbs cool.

i do tend to get a bit irrational when it comes to mixing as its a subject close to my heart. been meaning to write something on weareie about beatmatching instead of taking it out on innocents like yourself.

Quote:more later at work now. i was thinking about it today, and since (honestly) you are so good at mixing etc, and presenting mixes and doing websites etc you think, oh its dead easy, why doesnt everyone do it ? when a lot of mortals struggle.

Oops well thanks. tbh, its not really like that at all. i dont think its easy - i think its really difficult and time consuming work. its taken me over a decade to really come to grips with a lot of the aspects of this stuff, and im glad that people are into it, but i dont think that makes me some automatic authority, i just have strong opinions...

Quote:im sorry if anything i wrote came across as a dig, was just intended as an observation of your method of criticising, and how your intentions sometimes perhaps dont come across in the spirit you intended. critiquing the critic as it were .

sometimes its good to criticise. if nothing else articulating why you dont like something

well, i dont really agree with your criticsim - but id be a hypocrite if i didnt take your points on board. :d

Quote:as you say its much more useful than a solitary Xyxthumbs or Icon_yippee and particularly with my tunes, i like getting feedback and criticism. you get so stuck in a tune sometimes objectivity flies out the window, which is where forums likes this are invaluable. but i for one wouldnt say i didnt like a certain mix or ezine or whatever, just say nothing.

i dunno - sometimes its good to criticise. if nothing else, articulating why you dont like something helps you understand what it is you do like about other things. plus, as long as its fair people nshouldnt be offended, and if they are, then they need to develop thicker skin like many of us have done. my attitude to 'fair' criticism is to try and be objective, assess it, and move on.

Quote:yeah sorry, i kept forgetting about the books, didnt mean to make it look like youd ignored me or anything, it was a long time ago now, thats not the case, it was just while i spoke last night i remembered, it popped in my head, and thought id mention it while i was writing. not had any dialogue with you in a long time. i havent had much chance to be on sc recently. i value your opinion a lot, which is why i got involved, and i know you know a lot oabout politics as well.

so apologies, didnt mean to make you look bad, or discourage you from making comments about anything, i sincerely hope you will continue. just crossed wires i think.

same to you. ill remember about the books this time! :d

Xyxthumbs
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#55

metalx Wrote:prescriptivists Roll

No in this case - advice, in the other case i wouldnt say im dictating rules or laws - more like standards...

i dont know why anyone would put any stock in the opinions of a clapped out automaton anyway! Hahaha
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#56

muttley Wrote:i have to clear this up. bad form from me. only today i realised that even though my last comment was meant as a lighthearted euphimism for "the wise one has spoken":

http://www.subvertcentral.com/forum/view...ca&t=25502

...this made me realise that it could appear differently, and even though i tried to stay on a diplomatic route, i ploughed through that with a load of unnecessary, off topic ranting. droid, humblest apologies for my short sighted argumentativeness here. my arrogance has also removed any thanks pitch i wished to give for the critique, which in this thread i really respect. looking back i've come off sounding like a stubborn thoughtless bastard in rebuttal. that's not right. that's not me. and no-one with thought to give should get that. sorry sir Kisskiss

droid Wrote:personally i relish thoughtful criticism of the stuff i put out. a hundred big ups (though nice and higly appreciated Smile ) arent worth one decent critique imo. sure its annoying, but good criticism, though hard to swallow sometimes actually helps an artist (or whoever) to refine their work. you may not agree, but i find a critic actually makes you think more about what it is youre actually trying to do - much more than an army of yes men...

and the thing is i completely agree.
cripes. i don't know what's up. there's definitely been an unnatural complex developed (lots of arrogance, i'm never normally so bullish) to go through with this. lone admin possibly taken its toll a bit over four months. and at launch week, i think that culmination must be it.

Quote:maybe this is cos im ultra-critical of my own stuff, and most of the people i work with have very high standards as well. also i may assume others are as thick (or metal :d ) skinned as me and can take it on the chin when someone does make a valid criticism. so to both of you, sorry for any offense.

no offense taken, even if it may look like that. what bit me i'm sure was someone in your experience making such snap judgements; the analysis over what's actually up, what is the core of it misinterpreted. this part is really frustrating for me as i am yet to explain a lot of it out of the zip. and i'd like to keep a sort of continuity with other forums and posts. ultra-critical here too but i think i went too far with validating my own angles. that's where touchiness and obsessiveness may be crossing other wires here with how my explanations are viewed. a lot of thought was spent. i'm as dense an egg as you may well be and pandering isn't what i favour where feedback matters.

as for the thread itself, its purpose is also frustrating to partly conceal. these threads are as hinted more the 'suffix' points as it were. the full lowdown that can be referenced when i have other bits linked to it all. i'll leave confirmations until i can ensure they'll work. my preferences and opinions on convenience aren't so relevant.
to clarify i've never actually been on weareie, only a couple of mixes related in the past at most...if i'm remembering right Smile

and i agree with statto to leave this in, it's something i'll learn from, something which i thought i'd abstained from too - flying off the handle without stepping back to look.

god damn Hahaha

now, i hope i can get on the breakdowns in good time!

Wave

honestly muttley, i have lot of respect for your enthusiam and vitality - and if my tone was a bit off its maybe because im actually a bit frustrated that youre kind of hiding your flame under a bushel with your verbosity. you dont have to validate yourself - let the work stand alone and it will speak for you. and its fine to be a bit arrogant. if you believe in what youre doing its only natural to defend it.

good things, when short, are twice as good. ~baltasar gracian

sorry for the grief fella. keep it up!

respect! Xyxthumbs
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#57

all of this talk would be better taking place in pms imo - it simply doesn't benefit from having a crowd of onlookers. Icon_razz

well done for the proactive approach muttley. it's early days for this project, and as always, there is some room for improvement - goes without saying really. Xyxthumbs just not sure a public debate is in the best interests of that improvement however - at this stage anyway.
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#58

droid Wrote:Good things, when short, are twice as good. ~Baltasar Gracian

Tell that to his missus Teef
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#59

Macc Wrote:
droid Wrote:Good things, when short, are twice as good. ~Baltasar Gracian

Tell that to his missus Teef

Hahaha
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#60

droid Wrote:
metalx Wrote:prescriptivists Roll

No in this case - advice, in the other case i wouldnt say im dictating rules or laws - more like standards...

your standards, hence prescriptivism init. was only japsing anyways Bigstick


Hahaha
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#61

metalx Wrote:
droid Wrote:
metalx Wrote:prescriptivists Roll

No in this case - advice, in the other case i wouldnt say im dictating rules or laws - more like standards...

prescriptivism

actually - that has a nice ring to it!

i have an argument at the ready as to why its not quite that simple - but your right to some extent. i realised a long time ago you cant apply your own standards to others, though it still happens occassionally. Oops
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#62

droid Wrote:honestly muttley, i have lot of respect for your enthusiam and vitality - and if my tone was a bit off its maybe because im actually a bit frustrated that youre kind of hiding your flame under a bushel with your verbosity. you dont have to validate yourself - let the work stand alone and it will speak for you. and its fine to be a bit arrogant. if you believe in what youre doing its only natural to defend it.

good things, when short, are twice as good. ~baltasar gracian

sorry for the grief fella. keep it up!

the only grief i get is putting out everything in such a half baked state; i'm not a psycho, four months is a long time. and i'm only human, but the globalised impact has to be there. these ideas are nothing otherworldly. the validation to encourage greater proactivity where the world needs more and more to energise it - this is another thing. i'd prefer naphta's plan for prolonged (clutter) discussion but hey, got to be oddball guidelines somewhere! Hahaha


all in good time. refinement too Xyxthumbs Yes



macc Wrote:tell that to his missus Teef

ah but you are faltering father:

clipticism 089 sez:

a man was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him and said,
"if you kiss me, i'll turn into a beautiful princess." he bent over, picked up the frog, and put it in his pocket.

the frog spoke up again and said, "if you kiss me and turn me back into a beautiful princess, i will tell everyone how smart and brave you are and how you are my hero." the man took the frog out of his pocket, smiled at it, and returned it to his pocket.
the frog spoke up again and said, "if you kiss me and turn me back into a beautiful princess, i will be your loving companion for an entire week."

the man took the frog out of his pocket, smiled at it, and returned it to his pocket. the frog then cried out, "if you kiss me and turn me back into a princess, i'll stay with you for a year and do anything you want." again the man took the frog out, smiled at it, and put it back into his pocket.

finally, the frog asked, "what is the matter? i've told you i'm a beautiful princess, that i'll stay with you for a year and do anything you want.
why won't you kiss me?"

the man said, "look, i'm a computer programmer. i don't have time for a girlfriend, but a talking frog is cool."

http://www.subvertcentral.com/forum/view...ek&t=37278


this reads strangely familiar Wink
minus the qualities bit Hahaha

:mutley:
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#63

droid Wrote:i have an argument at the ready as to why its not quite that simple - but your right to some extent. i realised a long time ago you cant apply your own standards to others, though it still happens occassionally. Oops

lol i was about to spout some psyco/linguistic/athro-bable on the topic, glad i refrained too Xyxthumbs Lol


yeah, your right, its not that simple hehe.


ok! read mutleys tdd right now! its brilliant, as twice as brilliant as us half-wits (self-reference only) goin off all over his thread. i actually appreciate your alternate perspective on things mutley, reading this is like taking a journey into a parallel universe star trek stylee, your writing is pretty cool actually, enigmatic at times, and deffo a flip of the script!
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#64

metalx Wrote:
droid Wrote:i have an argument at the ready as to why its not quite that simple - but your right to some extent. i realised a long time ago you cant apply your own standards to others, though it still happens occassionally. Oops

lol i was about to spout some psyco/linguistic/athro-bable, glad i refrained too Xyxthumbs Lol

i didn't Oops

Quote:ok! read mutleys tdd right now! ...

pr guy hired.

Teef Kisskiss

many thanks for reading it. it's not perfect but it has other uses in future. there are other bits that got left out; this is the base of the etymology part. more later if i feel anything is worth uploadading.
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oh and if anyone is interested, theres a 320 version of my mix here;

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currently listening to all the Endo mp3s

Icon_yippee
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big up to you muttley, look forward to checking it out.
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#68

i open this thread, try to figure out what's this all about, get confused and then frustrated and end up looking at some other thread. on the next day the same happens.

Hahaha
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#69

i think anonymi - gateway is my fave tune in das grosse bundle.
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#70

dissident & fluter - first day of sorrow
baron zen - theme (danny breaks rmx)
polska - stu tt er

Cool Xyxthumbs
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#71

@ erbanta - more info coming soon Wave Kisskiss

new week, back on track, organised, thank god!

adaptation 1

three months prior of tdd 2's launch i had attended a lecture from certain philosophers, one of whom had took it upon himself to translate and compile a set of books documenting language differentials between countries, and the history of language alterations.

his aim was part integrationist. his role part teacher of subjects related to religious fundamentalism and ethics. much linked to good, musically parallel continues to be swallowed up via: misinterpretation of words. which words are used. unnecessary extremism between factions. how to heighten perspectives of those in knowledgable positions, but at the same time to provide access and understanding to individuals less educated than themselves.

as an academically naive type, what i scraped out of this was not only a word i had been looking for to sum up tdd 2's theme - that being etymology, it was how multiple variations (stories, examples, tone of phrase) comparably connected with me. how could you make something read so accessible with one set of variables than the other? they highlighted the importance of universality, and this universality is what tdd clasps at. not judging a book by its cover, instead judging with heartfelt guidelines.

consequently, all audio clips have an etymological code applied. abbreviating the attractions was, and is easy to decipher - a, c and de symbolise the tent in which i heard them! so if a track is full of "attitude", it gets an a, if it's inclined to make you recline and relax - "chill" - we use a c, lastly if it's a juxtaposition of the two - and there's deeper shades - then there's "deepersounds" - it's de.

history of listening is harnessed in its most accessible form. the subgenre tag itself, is inextricably tied to monetary concern. djs getting booked for nights - "what do you play? x y z?". record buyers looking to narrow down their selection - "got any of a, b or c?". a branding, a commoditization of the form. scenesters, or punters with a vested interest are all who may benefit. and so importantly, by doing it this way, perennial emotions are evoked, and not stereotypes.

de's featured tracks can then be wider reaching in their structures and purposes. multiple genres inadvertently means multiple tempos. an alternate approach, means the crushing of circle jerk overtones. in addition to this, bridge sections can be forged in the listeners' sequence between the three tents, their corresponding attractions, and their corresponding styles. so, for example: a + c = a track with both "attitude" and "chill" qualities - plus x, the webzine section, abbreviated. more on this later...


otherwise, i'm very glad people are finding their favourites so early Smile Yes
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Chin
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Hairy chins are scary Teef


The webzine categories:


"Diagnosiness" = NO
A thorough explanation of TDD 2's crux motives and ideas. This is only in the "Endo" edition, as in the smaller versions, its poignancy would be pretty irrelevant. If you're reading the shortened press, then the full version, with hidden text can be decompiled here!


"Through The Looking Glass" = TL
Contrary to TDD 1, there's now a coupling of subjective and objective press. There's also asterisks (*) to mark recommended audio from the releases chosen. Sifting with checkpoints as standard!


"Mind's Ear" = ME
The plain old "Artist News" title doesn't heed the contents now. "Mind's Ear" is TDD 2's abode for interviews, short blurbs for underexposed producers, and sharp links to tracks of choice spotted in the past few months that I didn't have time nor talent to write about.


"Under The Knife" = UK
Signed, unsigned, ignored, not applauded. Reviewed in here, whatever year.


"Lughole Lubricants" = LL
Mixes to energise. Mixes to ease stress. Mixes to get you through the day. I love these sets featured, I hope you do too. Nearly all TDD sets buff more links, quotes and co-operation from artists than their original tracklists, sources and DJs expose off their own accord. And you can school me on what I've slept on too - it's an ongoing thing!


"Devious Cheetahs: Putting Light On Their Spots" = PS
PS. also meaning - I dragged anything I could fit into here Teef
Culture, sociological and technological stimulants, cats I really want to see bigged up. The "Devious Cheetahs" amongst TDD 2 act as the strands to steer and stir the creativity from - and in output, what's resembled is the cross-purpose use of the three words "Attitude", "Chill" and "Deepersounds" - the main cheetahs of this chapter!

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