TECHNO? TECHYES!

how much easier is Techno to produce than drumnbass, mix downs take 1/10 of the time of drum'n'bass and sound much much crisper

like a breath of fresh air when your sick of EQing the tits of a break

as far as my knowledge goes its easy to produce "bad" techno (bad as in boring loop-a-loop stuff, uninnovative BS)

but proper techno like stuff from the detroit camp for instance is usually done with so much class and skills its amazing

Up shit creek bwoy. Obviously everything you're doing is wrong!

It must be if it doesn't sound anything like 199*




MINI RANT: No offense to anyone here, but F U C K I N H E L L do I get the arsehole with excessive nostalgic talk. 'I wish it was 199* again' (no personal offense intended theory).

DAGH! What about 'what's next?'?!!





* (insert integer between 1 and 7 here)

dont tangle your briefs, all i was saying was, i wish i could just make tunes and not worry about the mixdown. jeez

[Macc]

Sorry, that's been bubbling under for a while

haha

i just miss what i used to do back then, from 92 up until about 2001 in fact lol.

just picking some samples, loading them into noisetracker or octamed and just getting creative, not worrying at all about getting the mixdown right. just enjoying the vibes and creative freedom.

oh lord, let it be 1992 again!

It can be... if you concentrate on the sampling side of things and ignore dnb's tiresome technical fetishism.

... which, let's face it, has ultimately proved detrimental to the initial creative drive that fuelled Hardcore, Jungle and early dnb.

yeah man.

would love to work that way again.

just worried nobody will want to play, let alone sign my tunes if i dont mix them down

Techno is wicked fun! Watch out for the Frax Vs Loris riddim

boom!

I wish it was 1994 again.

just worried nobody will want to play, let alone sign my tunes if i dont mix them down

They won't. However, at least you'll be enjoying yourself again.

i met eamon when i performed at his festival last y ear. sound geezer.

aye. good job i suggested you for it, eh?

just worried nobody will want to play, let alone sign my tunes if i dont mix them down

They won't. However, at least you'll be enjoying yourself again.

i really like mixing down tunes too

i think i prefer mixing to writing now...

i love doing remixes, done a few recently not really finished anything of my own.

and me and macc know the secret of enjoying equimg.... cheeck the studio walls every third thread

and i must say ive been thinking that a while too, nothings as good as (macc > insert integer between 1 and 7 lol )

and re the 199x thing, i did have a mini rant about this once before

tons of crap tunes out in 92, 94, 97, 07

i still think percentagewise its all about the same, just exponentially more tunes about now

you needed, bare minimum, an akai an atari a quadraverb and a juno, or similar, to get even the bassic tune done. now all you need is a reasonable pc and broadband.

90% of everything is rubbish

its an insult to the many creative people out there to say 'it was so much better in 1992'

1992 was very cheesy it has to be said. very creative and new but def on a parallel with wobble. dem pills dem were far better ...

all jus my tuppence

peas

oh and i really cant be fucked chopping up beats anymore. find that far more tedious then equing.

sounds like we needs to get a dnb supergroup together ! collab theory ?

weird techno has been my first love for ever, grew up on house of god in bham, surgeon resident, then sankeys in manchester, still the best nioght out, saw jeff mills this sat, he was awesome. rugs were crap but there you go.

[Macc]

just picking some samples, loading them into noisetracker or octamed and just getting creative, not worrying at all about getting the mixdown right. just enjoying the vibes and creative freedom.

make tune

mix it

[esb]

leave her alone!

When a man is tired of eq, he is tired of life.

lol

and re the 199x thing, i did have a mini rant about this once before

tons of crap tunes out in 92, 94, 97, 07

i still think percentagewise its all about the same, just exponentially more tunes about now

you needed, bare minimum, an akai an atari a quadraverb and a juno, or similar, to get even the bassic tune done. now all you need is a reasonable pc and broadband.

its an insult to the many creative people out there to say 'it was so much better in 1992'

1992 was very cheesy it has to be said. very creative and new but def on a parallel with wobble. dem pills dem were far better ...

all jus my tuppence

peas

in total disagreement there. i'd take vibe and energy over careful eqing and obedience to musical rules (re: arrangement/melody) any day.

but if you still disagree, let's see how much interest there is in yer 'classic' dnb from 2007 in ten years' time

ps all 'cheese' is relative but suffice to say that i rate dj ss's hardcore and jungle output over any of today's dnb, no competition.


macc: hardcore and jungle meant nothing to you, and have nothing to do with today's dnb, so no need to feel personally insulted when people get nostalgic - they're just referring to a different form of music.

Ya bleedin' pirate Naftor

Ya bleedin' pirate Naftor

You'll be for a keel-hauling with that sort of talk my lad

[Macc]

macc: hardcore and jungle meant nothing to you, and have nothing to do with today's dnb, so no need to feel personally insulted when people get nostalgic - they're just referring to a different form of music.

i don't feel insulted, not at all. it's also not quite true that jungle means nothing to me (you're right on the hardcore though ), and of course i look back on stuff i do have from that time with affection.

but it gets you nowhere, does it :d it's the spirit of that stuff that needs continuing, not necessarily the technique/approach/sound. people who like that stuff because it was grounbreaking, progressive etc etc etc are exactly the people who should be looking forward to see how much further it can be taken.

But if you still disagree, let's see how much interest there is in yer 'classic' dnb from 2007 in ten years' time

bah, that's not a fair argument at all

only way that would make sense would be if we went into a parallel universe where every single tune in this music was made at the same time, say May 6th 1993 at 3.14am. Then scoot 10 years ahead and see if it's the old stuff or new stuff (in our universe) that's remembered.

Naphta - do you have a spare wormhole (lol) perchance? maybe we could ask optical

lay off the crack ben

[Macc]

But it gets you nowhere, does it It's the SPIRIT of that stuff that needs continuing, not necessarily the technique/approach/sound. People who like that stuff because it was grounbreaking, progressive etc etc etc are exactly the people who should be looking forward to see how much further it can be taken.

But part of the spirit of the (good bits of the) old stuff, and the reason it was groundbreaking and progressive was that people were able to say "we've stuck 17 NEW and EXCITING things in this tune already, it probably doesn't matter if we don't spend the next two weeks tweaking the compression and EQ'ing on the kick drum."

[Macc]

But part of the spirit of the (good bits of the) old stuff, and the reason it was groundbreaking and progressive was that people were able to say "we've stuck 17 NEW and EXCITING things in this tune already, it probably doesn't matter if we don't spend the next two weeks tweaking the compression and EQ'ing on the kick drum."

Which leads to the question, why do people on here give a shit about it then? Make yer tune, if it sounds 'rubbish', it sounds 'rubbish'. When people say it sounds rubbish, tell em you don't care In short, why buy into the production thing if you don't care?

Personally, I like things to sound good so that my ideas are represented in their best possible light, so that everything can be heard as I intend it. That's why I do it - oh, and cos I enjoy it


By the way, there's something important here that has to be said. It does NOT necessarily mean that if you want things to sound good it takes ages to do it, and that that occurs at the cost of other parts of the musical process. A good engineer can make things sound good, quickly. It's not necessarily engineering or the increased overall production standard that is necessarily to blame. It's arguably the fact that people who aren't natural engineers spend so long trying to reach that standard, that other parts of the process fall by the wayside.

dgoHn's stuff is a great counter-example here.... It doesn't sound amazing but it sounds like HIM, and the creativity is plain to see.