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the db and question

#1
i have some question about levels:

people say that the tune should be done to -6 db

i suppose they are speaking of rms yeah?

for example:

i up the volume of the drum loop to -6db

and i do the same with the sub

the peaks are increasing to 0 db

is it correct?
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phoonkah Wrote:i have some question about levels:

people say that the tune should be done to -6 db

I don't know many people that say that really. Usually it is recommended that if the tune is going elsewhere to be mastered, then it is advisable to leave some headroom for the ME. Usually 2-3dB is the figure suggested, although in a 24-bit environment it isn't such a big deal, and -6dB would be fine.


Quote:i suppose they are speaking of rms yeah?

Hahaha - are you joking? - 6dB RMS is essentially white noise.


Quote:for example:

i up the volume of the drum loop to -6db

and i do the same with the sub

the peaks are increasing to 0 db

is it correct?

Is it correct? What do you mean? The sum being equal to 0dB is correct, because that's straightforward mathematics. The computer doesn't get that wrong. In the dB scale, a logarithmic system, a 6dB change corresponds to almost exactly half or double the signal level. Therefore adding two signals peaking at -6dB = 0dB

If you mean 'is it correct to mix to 0dB?' then maybe, maybe not, but as mentioned above it is generally best to leave headroom for mastering, if that's going to happen.

This is absolutely basic, fundamental stuff.
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#3
I used to think like this. Don't think numbers - they're irrelevant! Instead, mix "blind" and concentrate on getting all the elements of your tune to sit well together. Then just make sure that the whole thing isn't clipping.
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Macc Wrote:
Quote:i suppose they are speaking of rms yeah?

Hahaha - are you joking? - 6dB RMS is essentially white noise.

Lol
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Macc Wrote:
Quote:i suppose they are speaking of rms yeah?

Hahaha - are you joking? - 6dB RMS is essentially white noise.

dont forget m8, that im from other country and my language is not so fluent to express correct words......

some times i use words that may not reflect the words i have in mind

rms is this case

for hell what is RMS?
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phoonkah Wrote:
Macc Wrote:
Quote:i suppose they are speaking of rms yeah?

Hahaha - are you joking? - 6dB RMS is essentially white noise.

dont forget m8, that im from other country and my language is not so fluent to express correct words......

some times i use words that may not reflect the words i have in mind

rms is this case

for hell what is RMS?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_power
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phoonkah Wrote:dont forget m8, that im from other country and my language is not so fluent to express correct words......

some times i use words that may not reflect the words i have in mind

I understand this, of course. We have a thoroughly interntional user base here, and I've travelled around Europe extensively. Smile Nevertheless, this is not an English problem Wink


Quote:rms is this case

for hell what is RMS?


When talking about audio, RMS is a measure of the average power, or perceived loudness of a signal.

If you don't know what RMS is, or what it means, then why did you say 'i suppose they are speaking of rms yeah?'. This suggests you deal with RMS all the time. Again, this is not an English problem.

I don't mean to be rude to you, and this forum is absolutely full of posts from myself and others helping people when they don't understand or know things. I LIKE TO HELP. There's no shame in admitting that you don't know something. Talking as if you know everything when you quite obviously don't is just embarrassing. So ask away, and we will help wherever we can Smile
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#8
My advice as Bhima says would be to forget the numbers.

Just make sure you don't go above 0db and use you EARS (even if you have to turn off your screen not to get distracted by visual stuff) to place things in the mix and adjust levels.
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shiva Wrote:just make sure you don't go above 0db and use you ears (even if you have to turn off your screen not to get distracted by visual stuff) to place things in the mix and adjust levels.

stay well below 0db - shoot for peaks at a max of -3db at the most.

give the mastering engineer room to breath and dont risk introducing intersample peaks.

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