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#51
Ok so I opened the box... She's beautiful JEDIcrying
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
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#52
i hope you haven't made her knobs sticky! Eek
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#53
DAGGGHHHHH

Today has been such a great day, but at the same time such an anti climax JEDIcrying

I JUST WANT TO PLAY WITH IT JEDIcrying

It's just there, look, just a few feet away JEDIcrying
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
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#54
Macc Wrote:DAGGGHHHHH

Today has been such a great day, but at the same time such an anti climax JEDIcrying

I JUST WANT TO PLAY WITH IT JEDIcrying

It's just there, look, just a few feet away JEDIcrying

so what's it like?
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#55
Here's a Diagram I made Grin :
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#56
Rofl
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#57
Rofl

Just got back from Italy - spent the whole evening clambering round recabling and reconnecting blahblahblah...

It's racked, it's beautiful and it is warming up now Hyper

Off to play with it in 5 minutes or so Hyper
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
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#58
i wonder whether bob has gone to sleep yet Chin
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#59
maybe the sound of cheese melting was too much and it knocked him into unconiousness Hahaha
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#60
I'm finding it hard to sum up my feelings to be honest.

All overwhelmingly positive but.. well, just a paradigm shift. It's all turned upside down. I didn't know or think that eq could do these things.

I'll write a proper post in a bit, but really, that's all I can say. I'm overwhelmed.
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
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#61
I'll say one thing though;

At no time ever ever do you do a narrow 10-12dB boost at 1.3kHz. You just don't do it, it's not going to sound good. We all know that.

Do it with the G14 though, and you find yourself thinking 'Oiii... that sounds alright you know!'.
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
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#62
I hate when something comes along that makes you rethink EVERYTHING.

it's so much work! Grin

always good in the end though.
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#63
Get some audio samples up. Hyper

I want to hear the difference between melted gruyere and slightly crumbly lancashire...
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#64
^ Hahaha

No time for samples mate - too much work to do. Got to get right into work tonight. Next post is a long one...
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
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#65
Right, well, I'm going to try and sum up what was - quite honestly - a near religious experience last night. Be warned, this will probably be very long and filled with vague, flowery language trying to put things across! I'll do a more concise summary at the end too if you can't be arsed reading all this...

After having it all warmed up properly, I kept the cans off and did a load of calibrations, tests, scribbling of important notes and numbers. This took maybe 40 minutes or so, noting what unity gain was on everything properly (got my analogue chain to within 0.2dB of ITB Smile ) Then I started listening. Yeah I know, but these things have to be done right...


Firstly, while this thread has been all about the G14, I started by playing back some things through the Benchmark DAC-1, which was snapped up on the cheap at the end of last week.

Wow. I mean, wow. I bought this thing to feed my analogue chain, but I am not sure I can bring myself to take my cans out of it now. I had to wire it this way as I am waiting for cables, but frankly, I need another DA this good. I said something like that to Scope last time I was at his studio when I listened through the DAC1 for a minute or something. I checked things I know inside out and upside down, and heard things I haven't heard before. Dissident's Oneiroid Psychosis for example - little tiny ringing pitched tones in the snare drum that have obviously always been there... never heard those before. I could tell how many hits he'd used for the snare, the order he'd used them, amazing. The absolute clarity of a particular effect part that goes wide stereo... shittin Ada. Stunning. Floored. went on to some audiophile-quality recordings - Bill Frissell's Blues Dream in particular. Fuck me. That trumpet's just THERE. Wowsers. The plectrum scraping very quickly up and down along the string at the end - you can hear the windings of the string, I swear.

I am a little pissed off though... Bar the all-important (for me) crossfeed, I preferred the sound of the DAC-1's headamp to my Meier Corda Arietta in every single case. The Arieeta is a listener's amp, no question. It gives a warm intimacy in the low mids that can make vocals sound closer, give weight to snare drums, thickness to pads etc. The Benchmark was just straight clean and that's fuckin that. This leaves me in a bit of a pickle. I want xfeed, but I want that DAC1 sound. It's gorgeous. So I have to decide if I can live without xfeed and just work with that output JEDIcrying I think I'll probably keep an eye open for another 2nd hand DAC of equivalent quality.


Then of course it was on to the main event Grin

I went through a few things just to check the flat sound of the eq. It's a hard wire bypass Smile so it is just a (very expensive) wire when in bypass mode. Switch the flat eq in with all bands off, and NO SHIT I swear angels start singing and the sun comes out. In fact that's the description I have been struggling to find all day - it sounds like how it feels when the late afternoon sun breaks out in your garden after a summer shower. All warm and fresh and clear. Incredibly so. The words 'high fucking fidelity' sprang to mind, but not a crisp sterile hifi sound. If you like what UAD Pultec does to your sound then be very pissed off. Because this humiliates it.

But it's not just that, not just the open warmth thing - it's how it seems to do something (?) dynamically. I have no idea wtf is happening, but things open up and sound more alive. Better transient definition, openness, less 'saggy' sounding at the back. No idea but I won't ask too many questions cos it sounds fuckin wicked.

Then there's the eq itself. Ah yes, the eq. I'll have to divide this into two bits - the sound and the handling.

After the initial 'really scared to touch it' thing subsided, I really started to get into using it. That is, grinning like a maniac as I played around Grin The knobs feel pretty good (I've read some criticism), though the level ones are just a bit stiffer than I might like. But then this makes small tweaks easier for me, so Smile Switched frequencies with pots for level and Q is a joy too. Getting to know the eq points better over time will reap rewards, I am sure. One thing I loved though is the way the Q feels so natural. If you have a boost happening but want it a bit tighter and punchier, you just turn up the q and it gives you a tighter and slightly higher boost. Lower the q and it just drops a bit while spreading out nicely, all feeling really really natural. It's almost like a mini gain control in itself, a variable punch vs. fatness control. I often found that I didn't have to move the gains for fine tweaks, just a tweak of the q one way or the other would do equally as well, with a fuller or punchier result. It just feels natural.

And it sounds ridiculous. I mean, wonderfully ridiculous. Ridiculously wonderful. Shii-tting-hell. I was desperately trying to make something sound shit with little success. I opened something I knew sounded 'lo fi' (Binky Griptite's Ghetto Funk Power Hour - man I was having a whale of a time) and attempted to make it sound 'hi fi'. It worked amazingly. Missing the point for that music of course, but still so natural. The fucking bass end is soooo fucking TIGHT! Doesn't matter if it is wide q or low q, or what frequency - this is a mud free eq. Maximum low freq wide boost, sounds wicked (with 10dB+ I mean!). A small bump at 100Hz, the bass player just turns the tone control on his bass. Tight as a mother. And so natural. I set all this up on the Binky Griptite mix and it got to Lee Fields' Crying the Lover's Blues. I almost wept, I ain't joking. Pulling my heart strings like never before, and I have listened to that a hundred times.

I got what I consider one of my best mixdowns out (Session N, a Soul Pride thing) and felt the sub was maybe a little loud relative to the kick. It's got a few fairly high notes in it, so boosting 100Hz might be a bit perilous, so best to aim a little higher. I haven't used any eq where you can boost 120 and have it sound good. I don't like 120 Hz, I really don't. But I love it now. Kick = punchier, and that is it. What kills me is that all the areas I have found myself cutting with UAD Prec. EQ and the Avalon 6-band, I didn't want to cut any more. They actually sounded better - miles better - boosted. 500 Hz is a twat. Boost with most eqs, you get a sort of cheap sub-nasal thing happening. G14 with something like 6-8dB (!) at 500 Hz just says 'Mr Snare, you will have more body' and that's it. And it still sounds really really good with it. It's ridiculous of course, but you know you are going to have to work much harder to make things sound bad than you will to make them sound good. Happy days.

A little lift at 3 or 3.5kHz, and the vocalist pops out with clarity. 22kHz, low q, you can quite literally boost right to the top and everything just gets more detailed, not 'bright' and never ever harsh. Again, it's ridiculous. It just sounds like the same thing, but way better. Really, cutting with this eq just feels like a waste. I boosted maximum (10-12dB) with a fairly tight Q at 1.3kHz. By rights I should be running crying to my mum. But I just sat there thinking 'you know what? That sounds alright!'. You just cannot make it sound shit unless you find the very worst bit and boost that as hard as you can - and even then you think 'it's not that bad actuall.

To summarise it in terms of sound, early impressions suggest it is almost like a remix tool. I can reach in and grab 'that thing there' and pull it out with no bad effects. I can give the snare more midrange body. I can turn up the bass player. I can bring the high hat forward, I can lift the lows without muddying them. Which reminds me, I boosted the Avalon's 125Hz (I think it is) knob up about mid way and then set the G14 by ear to be as similar as poss, q really low etc. I tried switching the 2 in and out at the same time, and the Avalon just sounded a bit soft or flappy, or something. I wouldn't say it was embarrassing, but it doesn't half put some perspective on things. They'll both have uses. With the high end I can imagine it for sure - the Avalon high end 'sparkly sheen' is really different to the pure naked naturalness of the G14, so there's room for both there. The superlow shelf of the Avalon will help with rolling off superlows nicely too. Together, it is a powerful combo... if the Avalon ever gets a look in again.

I did a few tests with my analogue chain's gain structure too, spanking an Amen and Scorpio though the Avalon tubes and transformers into the G14 tubes and transformers for all out analogue boom. Shit me. Aaaahahahahaaaaa!! I'll never use a digital tube again. Ridiculous. I could have pushed it another few dB too Grin



So I'll try to summarise my feelings. Remember I have wanted this thing for almost a year or so, and worked myself into the ground to earn it. 4 hours' sleep most days, making sandwiches for work, running places instead of getting the bus, working on music that my arttistic brain despises, all that kind of thing. To be honest I expected to be a little disappointed, like that feeling I always get when I buy a new computer game - 'this is good but the expectancy was better'. I don't get any of that. It doesn't sound how I expected, at all - it sounds effortlessly organic and natural. It took me by surprise, but it absolutely blew me away so hard that I have been in a semi-stunned state of virtual shock/disbelief almost until writing this. Just been shaking my head and grinning all day, people asking me why I am in such a good mood and shit. It doesn't feel like an equaliser, like say, PSP Neon or something. It feels like a musicality machine. There's kind of nothing technical about it, you don't feel like an obsessive geek using it, you feel like you're just making the music more musical. It actually gave me an increased emotional response to music I have heard a trillion times before. I can't think of any higher praise than that.
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
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#66
*Sets aside Tuesday morning to read the post*




















Grin
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#67
Wtf what you are saying defies math and physics HyperHyperHyperHyper
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#68
Yeah exactly. I have to forget everything I thought I knew about eq.
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
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#69
...and about software catching up on hardware! Grin

sounds eggsellent!
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#70
Epic man. I got so excited while reading that during a conference call at work that when they called on me I was silent and gave an "uhhhh, can you repeat that?"

Congrats man. Can't wait to hear the tunes that you'll be working on now. You'll need to watch movies and send the audio through that now Wink
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#71
Applause

looks like a motherfucking odyssey of a geek post Hyper
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#72
Well fuckin done bob, i know how hard you worked to earn this bad boy Applause

Glad it lived up to it too even if it wasn't quite in a way you expected Grin

From reading that post it sounds the nuts mate!
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#73
It sounds the nuts, trust me... thing is that it makes mastering difficult at first cos it ALWAYS sounds good. At worst it sounds 'alright' when you do alll the wrong things Hahaha

EDIT - actually I'm getting nowhere really Hahaha
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
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#74
Grin
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#75
^Lovesmilie

" If you like what UAD Pultec does to your sound then be very pissed off. Because this humiliates it."

Grumble
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