Okay class, have a seat.
Safetyboy! Stop picking your nose and wiping it on cycom
HERE you will find a zip file of everyone's wavs, some 3D frequency analysis courtesy of wavelab, as well as images of everyone's waveforms zoomed out a bit. There's also a text doc that I wrote as I listened, which I will add to a bit here.
Most importantly, there's an 'answer' wav file - that is, the closest you'll get to what I was looking for. More on this in a second.
First off, nice one everyone who sent in the wavs. It's nice little forum this, and things like this help people learn, as well as contribute to the atmosphere, so cheers to all of you
Second, this wasn't hugely easy. It wasn't meant to be either However, it wasn't as difficult as I thought, or as difficult as you might have thought.
The results show that generally speaking people need to listen a little more carefully to what is wrong with a sample. That is, while some people found the main problem, there was another there that escaped their attnetion. More often, people got close to where the problem was, but not close enough. The closest analogy is demolishing the house next door to the derelict building you're supposed to be knocking down .
It also shows that some people need to use the bypass button. I really cannot emphasise this enough. A number of the entries suggest (I could be wrong of course!) that people have dived in, eq'd this, cut that, boosted the other, and bounced, without referring back to what they had in the first place. I am 99% sure that had they done that, their submissions would have been different.
I politely suggest that you listen to the original, the answer file then all the submisions. Combine that with regular listening of the original, as well as the 'answer file', to 'reset' your ears. Check what the 3D plots are saying in comparison to the sounds. Get to know the differences, read what I have written, listen again etc etc. After a while, put it on random and see if you can tell whose submission is whose.
The 'answer file' is simply the original sample with the two main problem areas (as I see it) boosted with Nyquist EQ. The lower of the two problems is the main problem, and corresponds to what is most likely resonance from the tom tom. When you kick a kick drum, it makes the kit ring - this is audible almost as a constant 'hum' through the original. Tere is also a fairly severe ring in the ride cymbal. When you catch it right with the eq (as in the answer file), it almost ignores the dynamics of the ride, and simply rings almost constantly like an absolute bitch throught the sample.
Finally, remember that the aim of this was ERROR CORRECTION - not to make TEH FATTEZT BREAKZ GHUY. Added to this was the challenge of adding clipping while keepng to this ideal. So the 'perfect result' would be the same as the original sample, but without any of the main problems, minor corrections here or there (mainly the nasal part of the snare), and some inaudible clipping.
So then, the marks;
Cycom - Sounds like someone who's been making a lot of dnb Made it a 'dnb tune eq', super hyped, super phasey, unnatural. Too much clipping, audible shaving of transients. 3.5/10
Dionysus - missed main resonance, concentrated on the kick apparently, no look at the ride cymbal it seems. Nice work on the nose though, clear sounding in the mids though. No clipping (see Reez). 5/10
djfada - Missed the main resonance, missed the nose, took out cymbal resonance a bit though. Sounds more nasal than the original. Fairly heavy clipping, not terrible but audible. 5/10
Laaaa - got the main resonance and added thump, also some of the cymbal resonance, but it sounds eq'd - phasey and heavily notched, like it has a cold. Has added extreme high end, enhancing the noise too. Very very little clipping (2 samples at 7.1secs, so arguably none) 6/10
Lephrenic - very true to the original, very natural, but didn't clip - main resonance very well taken care of, cymbal tamed nicely. Lower mid needs a little more attention but not too bad. Excellent work! No visible clipping, otherwise it would be 9. 8/10
Reez - got the main resonance partly,mnissed the cymbal resnonce but took out too much of the bottom of the snare too, sounds very scooped in the low mids - phasey and eq'd sounding. Extremely minimal clipping if any (only one sample 'clipped', if that is!). 5/10
Safetyboy - missed the main resonance, took care of middle quite well though. Good clipping judgment. 6/10
FWIW I'd give mine 8.5/10 - I think Lephrenic's sounds a little better (slightly warmer, but still controlling the low resonance), but he didn't clip or he would have got 9.
Great stuff peeps. Fire away with comments, abuse, suggestions for part 2 if you want to etc. And remember - you asked for this, so don't get pissed off with me!
Safetyboy! Stop picking your nose and wiping it on cycom
HERE you will find a zip file of everyone's wavs, some 3D frequency analysis courtesy of wavelab, as well as images of everyone's waveforms zoomed out a bit. There's also a text doc that I wrote as I listened, which I will add to a bit here.
Most importantly, there's an 'answer' wav file - that is, the closest you'll get to what I was looking for. More on this in a second.
First off, nice one everyone who sent in the wavs. It's nice little forum this, and things like this help people learn, as well as contribute to the atmosphere, so cheers to all of you
Second, this wasn't hugely easy. It wasn't meant to be either However, it wasn't as difficult as I thought, or as difficult as you might have thought.
The results show that generally speaking people need to listen a little more carefully to what is wrong with a sample. That is, while some people found the main problem, there was another there that escaped their attnetion. More often, people got close to where the problem was, but not close enough. The closest analogy is demolishing the house next door to the derelict building you're supposed to be knocking down .
It also shows that some people need to use the bypass button. I really cannot emphasise this enough. A number of the entries suggest (I could be wrong of course!) that people have dived in, eq'd this, cut that, boosted the other, and bounced, without referring back to what they had in the first place. I am 99% sure that had they done that, their submissions would have been different.
I politely suggest that you listen to the original, the answer file then all the submisions. Combine that with regular listening of the original, as well as the 'answer file', to 'reset' your ears. Check what the 3D plots are saying in comparison to the sounds. Get to know the differences, read what I have written, listen again etc etc. After a while, put it on random and see if you can tell whose submission is whose.
The 'answer file' is simply the original sample with the two main problem areas (as I see it) boosted with Nyquist EQ. The lower of the two problems is the main problem, and corresponds to what is most likely resonance from the tom tom. When you kick a kick drum, it makes the kit ring - this is audible almost as a constant 'hum' through the original. Tere is also a fairly severe ring in the ride cymbal. When you catch it right with the eq (as in the answer file), it almost ignores the dynamics of the ride, and simply rings almost constantly like an absolute bitch throught the sample.
Finally, remember that the aim of this was ERROR CORRECTION - not to make TEH FATTEZT BREAKZ GHUY. Added to this was the challenge of adding clipping while keepng to this ideal. So the 'perfect result' would be the same as the original sample, but without any of the main problems, minor corrections here or there (mainly the nasal part of the snare), and some inaudible clipping.
So then, the marks;
Cycom - Sounds like someone who's been making a lot of dnb Made it a 'dnb tune eq', super hyped, super phasey, unnatural. Too much clipping, audible shaving of transients. 3.5/10
Dionysus - missed main resonance, concentrated on the kick apparently, no look at the ride cymbal it seems. Nice work on the nose though, clear sounding in the mids though. No clipping (see Reez). 5/10
djfada - Missed the main resonance, missed the nose, took out cymbal resonance a bit though. Sounds more nasal than the original. Fairly heavy clipping, not terrible but audible. 5/10
Laaaa - got the main resonance and added thump, also some of the cymbal resonance, but it sounds eq'd - phasey and heavily notched, like it has a cold. Has added extreme high end, enhancing the noise too. Very very little clipping (2 samples at 7.1secs, so arguably none) 6/10
Lephrenic - very true to the original, very natural, but didn't clip - main resonance very well taken care of, cymbal tamed nicely. Lower mid needs a little more attention but not too bad. Excellent work! No visible clipping, otherwise it would be 9. 8/10
Reez - got the main resonance partly,mnissed the cymbal resnonce but took out too much of the bottom of the snare too, sounds very scooped in the low mids - phasey and eq'd sounding. Extremely minimal clipping if any (only one sample 'clipped', if that is!). 5/10
Safetyboy - missed the main resonance, took care of middle quite well though. Good clipping judgment. 6/10
FWIW I'd give mine 8.5/10 - I think Lephrenic's sounds a little better (slightly warmer, but still controlling the low resonance), but he didn't clip or he would have got 9.
Great stuff peeps. Fire away with comments, abuse, suggestions for part 2 if you want to etc. And remember - you asked for this, so don't get pissed off with me!
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