Advice on cleaning up a live kit

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I have a 2 mic recording of a drum kit (1 overhead, 1 on the kick) and am having problems taming a rouge tambourine.

Pretty much every time the drummer hits the snare the tambourine gets a hit. unfortunatly the tambourine is cutting through a bit to loud...

I started off with trying to eq it but i was affecting too much of the rest of the kit so I switched to using side chain compression, but I cant seem to tune the side chain to just get the tambourine, I am always hitting the snare, which I dont really want to do...

shame they didnt use a snare mic as well as the kick

cheers
a de-esser might help, tuned to the tanbourine.
Paradigm X Wrote:a de-esser might help, tuned to the tanbourine.

good idea...

Do you have any recommendations for Mac OSX?
sorry no, pc creux inside.

a very sharp eq might also help too, or multiband compression, set to only the fres the tambourine is in.

btw rouge tambourine Hahaha

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if not, dunno beyond me, dont do much of this sort of thing, macc or scope or others may be able to help

Xyxthumbs
Look for the worst bits of tambourine with eq, to smooth the top end as best you can. Usual suspects: ~5k, ~7-8k, ~11-12k - but of course it all depends on what you're dealing with. Also just rolling off some top might not cost you too badly, so a bit of that might help.

You'll then need a de-esser capable of operating in split band mode, that is, it only compresses the 'ess' area of the spectrum and not the whole spectrum when it detects an ess. A multiband compressor will do you as well, but make sure it is doing nothing to the rest of the spectrum, only the ess part.

This should at least help, but be careful - bypass bypass bypass! It's easy to kill too much to smooth it out, and have no high end left. Gently does it! Smile
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btw, sorry - uad precision de-esser = Xyxthumbs here.
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
macc Wrote:look for the worst bits of tambourine with eq, to smooth the top end as best you can. usual suspects: ~5k, ~7-8k, ~11-12k - but of course it all depends on what you're dealing with. also just rolling off some top might not cost you too badly, so a bit of that might help.

you'll then need a de-esser capable of operating in split band mode, that is, it only compresses the 'ess' area of the spectrum and not the whole spectrum when it detects an ess. a multiband compressor will do you as well, but make sure it is doing nothing to the rest of the spectrum, only the ess part.

this should at least help, but be careful - bypass bypass bypass! it's easy to kill too much to smooth it out, and have no high end left. gently does it! Smile

great thanks for the tips..

i have a multi band compressor (izotope ozone) so i can give that a go...
i'll have a search around for a de-esser demo... might be able to fix it up before the demo runs out Wink


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It all depends on the cymbals/hi hats in the drums - it's going to be very tricky to sort it out without hurting them, so the most important thing is to find the best tamb-sensitive area to key the high end compressor from.

I would have suggested Voxengo Transmodder for this as it can be better than a normal deesser in certain situations, but you're on a Mac innit Neutral

Get a demo of a good deesser, but try Ozone first... I would suggest Waves but their deessers are shit IMO Hahaha
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
If you want to tone down the tambourine and make the snare stand out more, applying multi-band EXPANSION (Not Compression) on the snare (about 200-400Hz) will give it more power and help it cut through.

I've been doing live gig recording for ages now and i've found that the best way to bring the drums forward is expansion because you are effectively lowering the "noise floor" (everything unwanted leaking to that mic) compared to the peaks of the snares etc...

If it's really bad though, you could always use some kind of drum-triggering device (like "drumagog") to replace the snare. This is a last resort though and you will probably lose the atmosphere. Never had to do this myself, thank god.

Sonalksis do the "DQ1" plugin which is a dynamic equalizer - it'll let you do subtle expansion and compression very easily.
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bhima Wrote:if you want to tone down the tambourine and make the snare stand out more, applying multi-band expansion (not compression) on the snare (about 200-400hz) will give it more power and help it cut through.

good call, probably worth doing that anyway. watch you don't f#ck up the drum tone too much though (unless it sounds better :d ). although that won't tone down the tambourine, especially as it is being hit at the same time as the snare. if the tamb needs to come down, the tamb needs to come down innit!

actually, this is another spot transmodder could work wonders. ah well.

probably a case of a little from column a, a little from column b Xyxthumbs

Quote:i've been doing live gig recording for ages now and the best way to bring the drums forward is expansion because you are effectively lowering the "noise floor" (everything unwanted leaking to that mic) compared to the peaks of the snares etc...

Xyxthumbs i much prefer to downward expand than gate, although at home it's not something i have to do an awful lot. at gigs though.... essential.

Quote:if it's really bad though, you could always use some kind of drum-triggering device (like "drumagog") to replace the snare. this is a last resort though and you will probably lose the atmosphere. never had to do this myself, thank god.

i can't see that working on a two track (kick+overhead) recording, and it won't tame the tamb either! although it might just be that i hate those things Hahaha

Quote:sonalksis do the "dq1" plugin which is a dynamic equalizer - it'll let you do subtle expansion and compression very easily.

i was thinking of this one but dunno if it is mac - if so it might be just the job. great plug that, i batter it for sorting out completely fucked old samples and bringing out the unbringoutable Teef not quiiiite as precise as transmodder, but a very good option in this case Xyxthumbs
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
bhima Wrote:if you want to tone down the tambourine and make the snare stand out more, applying multi-band expansion (not compression) on the snare (about 200-400hz) will give it more power and help it cut through.

nice hadnt thought of that!

Quote:sonalksis do the "dq1" plugin which is a dynamic equalizer - it'll let you do subtle expansion and compression very easily.

Quote:i was thinking of this one but dunno if it is mac - if so it might be just the job. great plug that, i batter it for sorting out completely fucked old samples and bringing out the unbringoutable Teef not quiiiite as precise as transmodder, but a very good option in this case Xyxthumbs

it is mac, but i already tried the demo of it when i had no clue what i was doing Thumbd ( i am using the sonalksis essentials for compression, eq gating already )
Bit the bullet and picked up the DQ-1 last night... inital impressions are very good... trying to learn it before I comment any more...
rouge tanborine!!!

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