ALPHA OMEGA Wrote:really?

sounds interesting.......although I hope he's just not another Phillip Glass wannabee?

vox Wrote:how is glass a minimalist? what defines serialism?

vox Wrote:this is a cool topic...my sense of classical music history and harmonic structure is sadly lacking.

how is glass a minimalist? what defines serialism?

vox Wrote:what kind of themes? harmonic themes?

Quote:how does one do it "badly"? i'm not trying to be a bug...i'm really curious.

ALPHA OMEGA Wrote:isn't Phillip Glass the guy who sat down at Piano for about 20mins,played & said nothing & then walked off.

UFO_over_easy Wrote:Don't think so, but maybe. John Cage wrote a track called 4 minutes 52, which is a pianist sitting at a piano for four minutes and fifty two seconds in silence, then walking off again. He did a lot of very off the wall stuff like that.

Statto Wrote:

UFO_over_easy Wrote:Don't think so, but maybe. John Cage wrote a track called 4 minutes 52, which is a pianist sitting at a piano for four minutes and fifty two seconds in silence, then walking off again. He did a lot of very off the wall stuff like that.

4'33"

Cage's point is that all sound can be music
so during a performance of 4'33" the pianist isn't creating the music at all — the environmental sounds are the music... e.g. a bus going past outside the concert hall, someone in the audience coughing, and so forth

a lot of Cage's music sounds better on paper than in reality

Statto Wrote:so during a performance of 4'33" the pianist isn't creating the music at all — the environmental sounds are the music... e.g. a bus going past outside the concert hall, someone in the audience coughing, and so forth

vox Wrote:UFO, that totally makes sense! this forum FUCKING ROCKS for people sharing information in a really considered, evocative, well-spoken manner.

boh!

i can appreciate john cage's intent...i think that kind of fucking with institutionalisation is integral to any aesthetic form...that's why i've always appreciated marcel duchamps and the dada movement. the unfortunate thing is that they invariably end up getting co-opted by the elitist institutions they set out to flaunt.

vox Wrote:john zorn also does some really neat things like that...he'll conduct an "orchestra" by holding up flash cards.

ie. the blue card will signal a person in that orchestra to contribute a spontaneous sound.

UFO_over_easy Wrote:Totally. Maybe Phillip Glass' melodic minimalism would work better with a chopped up amen and an MC going "MAKE SOME FUCKING NOISE FOR THE BERLIN SYMPHONY! WHEN I SAY VIOLIN YOU SAY STRINGS! BOOOOOOOOOH!

pieter Wrote:This probably won't be news to a lot of you, but there have been several collaborations, and/or remixes (can't remember precisely) involving Glass and EDM artists. Aphex did one, and I do think someone semi-dnb-related released a remix or something a few years ago (I'm thinking it's someone vaguely connected/descended from the NUT/Nico camp). Can't remember exactly. The omnivorous Bill Laswell (of whom I'm not a huge fan) I think also might have been involved in some odd Glass(ish) project.

You can probably tell that most things involving Glass don't really hold my interest...hence I'm probably wrong about the other artists above...but the point is, his music has, in a manner of speaking, crossed over a little.

UFO_over_easy Wrote:I like a lot of Cages work, like his stuff for prepared piano. I went to a concert in the festival hall a while back which was the London Sinfonietta playing orchestrated versions of Warp artists. Interesting stuff It was interspered by works by John Cage, Stockhausen and Ligeti, and also video's of stuff like Monkey Drummer and Granz Graf