Yeah. excellent thread people, but I'm more interested in the concept of combining forces for advertising/album (maybe even 12s) etc. than any of the theorising. This joining-forces lark sounds like a bloody good idea to me but requires action and work from the labels involved. Promotion of a 'new sound' is essential IMO. I'd love to help in any way I could - like Beckett, I'd love to help set up a website that would focus 'the movement' (cringe) or promote whatever ideas you/we come up with.
Stacks
That reminds me!! I'm working on a new online distrubtion/shop in conjuntion with Urban Futures. I'll let the right people know closer to completion.....
It will concentrate on the more Progressive/Atomospheric Labels & Artists, the orders will go directly to each label involved and they then deal with the processing of the order themselves. This will change in time and I'll be looking to get a little warehouse space near me and expand the operation. (Which will include a US agent). Obviously SB, INP, OS, BB will all be asked to be involved as well as any other alternative labels I can think of......
http://www.inperspectiverecords.com/shop.asp is a demo link so you can see what it would look like, the page can be altered to fit in with you own website. It would be good to have a online shop where the new releases section wouldn't be swamped with shite!!!......I'll have more details soon.
Just so you know that I'm doing my bit for the greater cause!!!
Excellent idea chris. that's exactly the sort of thing that's needed IMO.
Stacks
btw. I feel a bit hypocritical urging everyone on to action when i myself don't do very much for 'the scene' (i'd love to do more though) My 'major' contribution is flyers/posters etc. and Djing occasionally for Bassbin and the NukillaKru. so i don't want to come on all 'why don't you all do this... or this..' when it's obvious that a lot of you guys have put far more effort into this thing than me.
Just thought I'd make my position clear 
Stacks
Chris Inperspective Wrote:I'm gonna tell you all a story right, I'm not ashamed to say it but while trying to get things going again and in Miami. I got REALLY upset one nite while with Equinox and Q and I started Balling my fucking eyes out with fustration with not getting people to listen to what we had to offer.....now look....not saying I've made it yet but it's a whole lot better than where I was then, at LEAST poeple are getting their ears pricked up by us now.....
Respect to you Chris - you wear your heart on your sleeve and stick by your passion for the music... it's people like you who inspire others to go against the grain. And yes, it IS fucking hard sometimes!
im in roughly the same boat as the honourable master stacks, [except i do even less than for drum and bass than he does] and yet i feel a positivity from this thread that i has been absent in many recent discussions of this nature that i have recently come across...
pieters point about the cd market being an often overlooked potential market place is well made and absolutely true and the calls for a "genre defining compilation" are coming at about the right time too...
big up everybody EVERYBODY who still, by the courage of their convictions, dares to make proper beat driven music, play it out and sticks by their guns... naphta, i know you havent been feeling the mae west about drum and bass recently, your absence from idnb has indicated something might be amiss, but id say that this thread is at least providing a positive framework for future efforts on all of our parts. [except myself cos im just a consumer  ]
what an excellent forum btw. big up to all involved...
Stacks Wrote:btw. I feel a bit hypocritical urging everyone on to action when i myself don't do very much for 'the scene' (i'd love to do more though) My 'major' contribution is flyers/posters etc. and Djing occasionally for Bassbin and the NukillaKru. so i don't want to come on all 'why don't you all do this... or this..' when it's obvious that a lot of you guys have put far more effort into this thing than me.
Just thought I'd make my position clear
Stacks
It's true, Stacks. You are - as you say - an "EVIL HYPOCRITICAL FUCKER"! Now get the finger out and start saving Jungle single-handed!!!
Naphta Wrote:It's true, Stacks. You are - as you say - an "EVIL HYPOCRITICAL FUCKER"! Now get the finger out and start saving Jungle single-handed!!!
Yeah well next month I'm getting my music gear sorted so obviously it'll take at least a few days before I can save 'jungle-sound' single-handedly with a genre-defining album.
Stacks
Naphta Wrote:Respect to you Chris - you wear your heart on your sleeve and stick by your passion for the music... it's people like you who inspire others to go against the grain. And yes, it IS fucking hard sometimes!
Thanks man..... Don't if you saw the post about the new online shop mate, spread the word and any of those boys in Ireland representing tell them to get in touch with me so I can start compiling a list....(that definatly includes KIN!!)
tyranny Wrote:id say that this thread is at least providing a positive framework for future efforts on all of our parts.
Thats pretty much what i was saying in my post.......a more positive framework is needed rather than an atmosphere where people feel alienated and complete disjointed from the main body of "the jungle music scene" and feel that they have to try to compete with the likes of BC, RAM etc. etc. etc.
One other thing i'd like to throw in here is that for a lot of people more breaks orientated music, and the people that are producing it and who are into etc. for some reason are looked at as being "elitist"....why this is is open to debate, possibly because of the disillusioned nature of comments etc. on notice boards on the internet......or perhaps unlike most of us on here, a LOT of people aren't as passionate about music as we are? This alone can be off putting in itself......in order for a new style and sound to progress it has to shake off this image that it has that surrounds it....which is why....and this is going back to the same thing again.....a more open and inclusive approach is much needed.....something which is being provided for here on streetbeats......
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right then,
so what are we gonna do about it?
beckett Wrote:One other thing i'd like to throw in here is that for a lot of people more breaks orientated music, and the people that are producing it and who are into etc. for some reason are looked at as being "elitist"....why this is is open to debate, possibly because of the disillusioned nature of comments etc. on notice boards on the internet......or perhaps unlike most of us on here, a LOT of people aren't as passionate about music as we are?
I agree, and I'm sure over the last 2 years, my posts have probably contributed to fostering this view in the minds of some people out there.
But at the same time, you can't make an omelette etc. etc... and I still feel that it was worth getting worked up about the subject rather than keeping to the background for fear of offending anyone's sensibilities. Over that period, I have actually witnessed once-passionate Junglists simply give up the ghost and stop buying the music and participating in the whole thing because they felt isolated and alienated by their own negative reaction to each new short-lived sound and style that became fashionable in the scene... whereas I also saw others take heart when they discovered that there WERE other people out there who loved the music but who felt just as disgruntled as them at its current direction...
I've been accused of being 'hypocritical' (still unsure about this one), 'arrogant' (maybe), 'smug' (hardly - I don't feel I have anything to be smug about!) etc. but 'elitist' - I dunno, for that, I just read 'won't go with the flow and wants to be different for the sake of it' or 'aligns himself with music he perceives as more cerebrally challenging'. There isn't much I can say by way of a response other than to assert (once again) that I only crusade on behalf of music that actually excites me... but it's that kind of thing that I think need to be focussed on more now... Just like the Inperspective boys start leaping around to their music at their nights in order to demonstrate that you CAN let go to it: so too we need to be demonstrative about the music we DO appreciate and focus on that, rather than on the finer points of criticising shite d+b. I've been doing that religiously for a long while now: take it from me - the time for that is past. Better material is now being produced and needs to be heard. And it needs something to bring it all together - the new wave definitely needs to be represented by something more concrete than isolated releases popping up here and there... again I believe that the emphasis should be on CHANGE and DIVERSITY, freshness, chopping and changing style, doing the unexpected i.e. providing an alternative to the tunnel vision that now dominates the 'mainstream' of most genres.... and by that I mean pushing it so that we can do these things over the course of a DJ set or a single track - not just having lots of specialists sound-clashing under one roof.....
I think a collective website is a very good idea - after all - this is the SB boys' home, and although I'm glad and very grateful that they're letting us roam around for a few days in this congenial atmosphere, we need to let them have their gaff back!
Blue Wrote:right then,
so what are we gonna do about it?
The idea of a CD is a good start. How about approaching the likes of the mainstream mags like knowledge, ATM and all that nonsense and suggest providing a cover CD presented by a number of the different labels that are doing things a little differently?
Street Beats have done it before, why not try to do it again only this time showcasing the rest of the people out there that are doing good things?
Magazine coverage......between everyone im sure we'll be able to wrangle a good few feet of column space....
Aim outside of drum and bass publications / magazines etc....i know over here in ireland, music magazins such as hotpress aren't adverse to featuring more dance music related content, especially if it is doing something a little different.....
(just a few suggestions.....feel free to tell me to shut up!)
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Naphta Wrote:I think a collective website is a very good idea - after all - this is the SB boys' home, and although I'm glad and very grateful that they're letting us roam around for a few days in this congenial atmosphere, we need to let them have their gaff back!
NO MAN...
STAY HERE!!
its the whole fucking point!!!!!
totally feeling your posts and discussions.....
STAY!!
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beckett Wrote:The idea of a CD is a good start. How about approaching the likes of the mainstream mags like knowledge, ATM and all that nonsense and suggest providing a cover CD presented by a number of the different labels that are doing things a little differently?
Street Beats have done it before, why not try to do it again only this time showcasing the rest of the people out there that are doing good things?
Magazine coverage......between everyone im sure we'll be able to wrangle a good few feet of column space....
Aim outside of drum and bass publications / magazines etc....i know over here in ireland, music magazins such as hotpress aren't adverse to featuring more dance music related content, especially if it is doing something a little different.....
(just a few suggestions.....feel free to tell me to shut up!)
right then, i'll deal with Breakin Point and someone else can deal with Knowledge....
brilliant idea this..
lets go!!
Naphta Wrote:I can say by way of a response other than to assert (once again) that I only crusade on behalf of music that actually excites me... but it's that kind of thing that I think need to be focussed on more now... Just like the Inperspective boys start leaping around to their music at their nights in order to demonstrate that you CAN let go to it: so too we need to be demonstrative about the music we DO appreciate and focus on that, rather than on the finer points of criticising shite d+b. I've been doing that religiously for a long while now: take it from me - the time for that is past.
Better material is now being produced and needs to be heard. And it needs something to bring it all together - the new wave definitely needs to be represented by something more concrete than isolated releases popping up here and there... again I believe that the emphasis should be on CHANGE and DIVERSITY, freshness, chopping and changing style, doing the unexpected i.e. providing an alternative to the tunnel vision that now dominates the 'mainstream' of most genres.... and by that I mean pushing it so that we can do these things over the course of a DJ set or a single track - not just having lots of specialists sound-clashing under one roof.....
Right on!
I think the point that beckett makes about going to 'non dnb' publications as well as the usual suspects (knowledge etc.) is a good one. The main DnB publicatos know which side their bread is buttered on and rarely stray from the 'it's all good' malaise that seems to have infected the whole Dnb 'scene'.
Maybe the name of the new genre should be 'It's all better'  haha.
Stacks
there are one or two magazines and stuff over here in ireland that me and the other boyo's can try hittin......not going to make a world of difference but every little helps eh?
How about contacting some of the newspapers etc. in the uk....the sunday times seem to be reasonably open to covering new bits and pieces.....
I know this will sound slightly "gay" but i think its important to come up with an image or name of some sort that people can identify with....i know its a shite way of looking at things by trying to define music or sum up such a complex thing in simple terms but as i mentioned before its important to have a reference point from which people can explore.....
about that album... you guys might want to check the "scattered snares" LP on twisted funk (a label created by dego of 4hero to give certain unhappy jungle/dnb artists an outlet to do different things) it's a compilation with "broken beat" music from deep blue, paradox, sonar circle, genotype, 4hero, ... and it's pretty genre-defining in my opinion... what about something similar for the music we love most?
beckett's idea with magazine-mix is indeed one of the most workable solutions i guess...
about the name... what about "new jungle"??? i know, not very original but recognisable... (please don't think about nu metal  )
this is such an interesting thread by the way!!!
we have been battling for sometime to get an angle into the Broadsheets and major music press (Nme etc ....damn i loathe the Nme!!)
lets go!!
Blue Wrote:we have been battling for sometime to get an angle into the Broadsheets and major music press (Nme etc ....damn i loathe the Nme!!)
lets go!! Dazed and confused were interested in us once, mybe give them a go.....
Blue Wrote:we have been battling for sometime to get an angle into the Broadsheets and major music press (Nme etc ....damn i loathe the Nme!!)
lets go!!
the last time i looked at the nme's website they had avril lavratory on the cover and it looked suspiciously like it had turned into smash hits as it purpoted to have "pics of your fave bands inside"
What about gettin an article in all the free listings
e.g Slate in Dublin
Shoreditch twat in london
Loads of headz pick up that kinda free publication...im sure theres loads more in london r where ever u come from!
B Wrote:What about gettin an article in all the free listings
e.g Slate in Dublin
Shoreditch twat in london
Loads of headz pick up that kinda free publication...im sure theres loads more in london r where ever u come from!
Forget Shoreditch twat, I've heard the geezer that runs it isn't called that for nothing..........
yeah i was just rackin my brain there to think if they actually had any music related items in the rag.....just put it up as an example of a free tingo!
the slate in dublin takes the piss but will also put in listings and reviews.
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