Apart from tempo whats the difference between Dubstep & DnB?

i'd even say the slightly rough/dodgy production is part of the sound in some ways

I think a scene having got very good at doing one or two things can make it harder for people to try other stuff - you'd have to take a couple of steps backward to go forward which discourages people from trying anything particularly groundbreaking.

[Macc]

i could use some of Pizza Hut's "stuffed crust" badness right now...

The last thing you need is more pizza

one has stupid wobbly basslines and the other one is.... oh , hang on a minute..

Exactly

"Chopped up drums with a heavy bassline"

Am I refering to DnB or Dubstep?

i could use some of Pizza Hut's "stuffed crust" badness right now...

The last thing you need is more pizza

and why is that?

i could use some of Pizza Hut's "stuffed crust" badness right now...

The last thing you need is more pizza

and why is that?

*Gets popcorn* (and pizza)

[Macc]

and why is that?

one has stupid wobbly basslines and the other one is.... oh , hang on a minute..

Exactly

"Chopped up drums with a heavy bassline"

Am I refering to DnB or Dubstep?

dubstep has almost no chopped up drums :P

Dubstep's yawn-inducing but is only 95% shite, as compared to bleeding-eardrum-inducing dnb that's 99% shite.

thing is, there's a big difference between what Skream and Shackleton do, just as there's a big difference between what Polska and Pendulum do, so bit tricky to make generalisations.

I kinda thought some dubstep producers were taking a few more risks musically than dnb producers (going really minimal (Hamas Rule, Sine of the Dub), overlapping with techno (Anti-war Dub, 2562's stuff, Martyn's stuff), but then there's a hell of a lot of formulaic stuff floating around.
Saying that, there's been a fuck of a lot of decent, original dnb lately

These threads are always really interesting but also really fucking futile.

[denaris]

thing is, there's a big difference between what Skream and Shackleton do, just as there's a big difference between what Polska and Pendulum do, so bit tricky to make generalisations.

Absolutely spot on Bluntos.

they haven't started pigeonholing different strains of dubstep yet
needs more clowndub, liquidub, and neurodub

These threads are always really interesting

I hadn't noticed..

Blunt - the comparison between skream/shackleton and pendulum/polska doesn't hold up really.. Skream and most other big dubstep producers make bangers but still make some deep stuff... sine us by skream, or emotions by benga for example... deep, aquatic technoid squelchers. and they still very much operate within the same scene framework as people like pinch and 2562 or whoever. not shackleton maybe, but then if you asked him he'd say he's never made a dubstep tune in his life. but when was the last time you heard something deep and experimental by pendulum or twisted individual?

seperate elements of the scene are still co-operating. you find people like pinch and cyrus on a bill with people like hatcha and cluekid as standard.. they'll even happily play b2b sets. when was the last time you saw hazard b2b equinox?

Anti-war Dub

I would've said more housey than techno. Certainly in terms of the beats anyway, but I know you've heard a fair bit of techno. Care to enlighten me on why you think this is techno-sounding/influenced?

mala is definitely more of a house head..

What's good, is its still very mixed. I can go to fwd and see a deep techno-ish set by appleblim, a minmal set by youngsta and then a banging set by skream.

Kinda like old jungle. D+B these days is kinda one style all night.

Clearly some dubstep has taken some influences from dnb. :P

However, how they could be described as 'the same' is beyond me.


Anytone who hasn't, read this Burial interview:

http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/20...chive.html

Sums up the both the influences and the differences between dubstep and dnb pretty well IMO.

good interview

i like the way he talks about music

he's so spot-on and articulate, a real rarity in a talented music-maker... everything he says about jungle hit home for me especially

If I’m making a tune sitting in my room with a cup of tea, I’m not making a tune about sitting in my room with a cup of tea, it’s like I’m out there somewhere. That’s how I started listening to jungle, going through the lightless neighbourhoods, the districts.

lol at the tea reference.

That's just how I imagine the Burial LP actually, and that's before I ever saw the front cover.

I have still never listened to the Burial LP in order, all at once in its entirety. Tonight, or in the next few nights when I have time, I think I shall do that, and make a mental note of all the interesting little tidbits that he said about certain tunes on there.

i dont like the burial lp really

n-type was getting bare philosophical on his show last week - talking about what would happen if you had a motor that could drive around in space and drove to the edge of the universe and stuff, like is there a big stop sign or something. man is deep, burial can stick his tea

Best thing i heard all year. or for ages or whatever

[Macc]

What, the burial LP? Still not bought or heard that properly

What, the burial LP? Still not bought or heard that properly

Do then, init.