D&b Music in 2006 & beyond?

its not fast enough imo, chipmunk vocals and +8 all the way

i really really really want to hear what would happen if the techstep / clownstep massive rediscovered ardkore. m1 piano riffs would be nice, too...

its called happy hardcore! :d

but there you haven't got the dark / moody / restrained side of things, afaict. as i said, it's about the contrast...

its not fast enough imo, chipmunk vocals and +8 all the way

i really really really want to hear what would happen if the techstep / clownstep massive rediscovered ardkore. m1 piano riffs would be nice, too...

http://www.imorecords.com/mp3/16037-1-b.mp3 = hardcore

http://www.imorecords.com/mp3/19299-1-c.mp3 = hardcore

http://www.imorecords.com/mp3/19647-1.mp3 = drum and bass

http://www.imorecords.com/mp3/15247-1.mp3 = drum and bass

there's your contrast

http://www.imorecords.com/mp3/16037-1-b.mp3 = hardcore

what is that?!?!?! it sounds like pendulum gone kniteforce, i fucking love it! got some funk to it

but there are always going to be those 'purists' who just stick with the classics & speak in well-worn sounds, and that's fine.

naphta i think he is talking 2u

naah...not at all. i'm talkling about slavish continual regurgitation of certain sounds-ie combos like the reece/amen duo that seem to not tire with some producers.

http://www.imorecords.com/mp3/16037-1-b.mp3 = hardcore

what is that?!?!?! it sounds like pendulum gone kniteforce, i fucking love it! got some funk to it

Yeah - I'd always taken HHC as being the purely 4ttf rinky-dink stuff, but this is very cool...

More of this sort of thing!

http://www.imorecords.com/mp3/16037-1-b.mp3 = hardcore

what is that?!?!?! it sounds like pendulum gone kniteforce, i fucking love it! got some funk to it

Yeah - I'd always taken HHC as being the purely 4ttf rinky-dink stuff, but this is very cool...

More of this sort of thing!

it's called Stay Lucky by Wizbit (Lucky Breaks 002)
good plate, the freeform track on the flip (New Zealand Story) is quality as well, some good break work at the start of that

should probably get my arse in gear and do a hardcore / dnb crossover mix or something

I am not very enthusiastic about the whole dnb scene. As in 2005 all my hopes are for couple of labels and producers, I think all you know them. They are posting in this forum thus, Jah bless Subtle Audio (with its huge realeases schedule) Offshore, Inperspective, Counter Intelligence, Paradox Music, Outsider, Arctic music, Esoteric, 13 music, Bassbin, new born Lightless, Vibez, Covert Operations also I hope to hear some Warm Comm stuff...

Massive Respect to all people who are running or related to these labels.

[Statto]

jah bless subtle audio (with its huge realeases schedule) offshore, inperspective, counter intelligence, paradox music, outsider, arctic music, esoteric, 13 music, bassbin, new born lightless, vibez, covert operations also i hope to hear some warm comm stuff...

jah bless subtle audio (with its huge realeases schedule) offshore, inperspective, counter intelligence, paradox music, outsider, arctic music, esoteric, 13 music, bassbin, new born lightless, vibez, covert operations also i hope to hear some warm comm stuff...

oh my gosh i forgot

jah bless subvert central rec.

@ me

@statto

[Statto]

it's been a love/hate relationship for a while...

ie " well my fave tempo is 168, lets keep it slow"etc etc , so how come everything recent has been at the kitsche setting of 174 or just about? and the hatred for gabber speed music has risen 10bpm from interview to another?

sort of off topic...

the problem with a lot of dnb tempo nowadays is that it sounds that fast due to the extremely short loops being used; e.g. dum chick duhduhluh chick, dum chick duhduhluh chick, dum chick duhduhluh chick... leaving no room for listeners to adjust how they hear the tempo.

gabba goes bam bam bam bam bam and the tempo is almost irrelevant; old dnb was fast but the beat could be heard half speed; new dnb can't so it's just irritating.

i really hate short skippy drum loops.

yeah your'e right there. the whole idea of looping was of course what started dance music but i think a lot of people bastardize it now, as if repeating the same loop unless it's a killer loop will hold interest for people.

its just points laziness to me on occasion . iv'e thought loads of times when listening to d&b "well why didn't you do this or that" and then becoming disappointed with the end result. much unlike hardcore when i listen to it, everything sounds so programmed and 'proper' nowadays when all i really want to hear is a good vibe being created. not how 'phat' someones drum loop sounds on a system or whatever bullshit that goes with it.

which leads me on to saying about there being more impulsive changes in direction, or cappricios for want of a technical term in the music today. it's all linked to the factor of dj-friendliness the complacency thing that sinks all potential of certain tunes in my eyes - and by that i don't mean everyone should make things just to piss djs off...just being a slave to structure is what bores me most. i could never make an all out dj tool unless i wanted to experiment or try and constrain ideas. and i'm sure those producers i admire have a lot more ideas up their sleeve but they won't put them in tunes because...well supposedly people are less likely to play them.

which i don't follow either really. seeing as a lot of the 'drumfunk' or leftfield music is only played out by a sect of people, who presumably like to have their ears challenged and skills tested by unconventional rhythms - why is there need to compromise?
take for example fresh - nervous. now iv'e not heard this and i'll probably hate it but with any d&b trying to be pop-like it has to maintain interest for the general public as a whole. that means more changeups, less strung out progressive ideas and more in your face melodies and usually vocals.

isn't that what some old hardcore was about?
without being shit?




to me, as a punter and not industry head- if i was grooverider i would be more inclined to pick up some obscure whites if i heard them and they kept my interest [crackhead jokes aside] and were colourful, instead of being 6 minute drum & atmos workouts.
that's what some of the leftfield music lacks in great quantities for me - less in your face tunes that make bold statements. music that comes out of camps like offshore is more original to me most of the time because it mixes a palette of more sounds and subgenres.

and as much as i love the other music, say from labels sc related, to even less well known imprints/middle road that is something i'm dying to hear- a fresher approach to the conventional framework that has been set out. .

of course i take into account most people couldn't give a shit about the mainstream exposure and good for them, but it then shouldn't come as a surprise if disappointment arises regarding sales and no-one knows what music you like or release.

recognition is what a lot of people secretly want, so why fight it?
....




of course these are my own perceptions of music and as always, for my own sake i should put my money where my mouth is and get some ideas down instead of being pseudo-analytical about other peoples' work. i can do that when i'm old and grey.

a freer approach to structure (12 bar dnb )

great idea btw! bigup & looking forwar..

i think mainstream d&b in 2006 will move to the 7" format, with the advance of even shorter tunes....anyone can mix tunes within a minute, so all you need is 3 minutes of wank bleeps and a shufflebeat and a movie sample.....put it on 7", its cheaper than a 12".....more profit, more cocaine

that would be really great!
-hands of 12" !!! u bastards

a freer approach to structure (12 bar dnb )

great idea btw! bigup & looking forwar..

check some old suv stuff for this sound

free beat ep on full cycle

and his ep on v...



also matrix - "convoy" has a 3/4 section.

thank, Conor!

just checked V Beat EP

still out of what Macc said
i thouht about a more jazz-style-beat-construction
where samples/patterns dont repeat themselves in 12 bars..

thank, Conor!

just checked V Beat EP

still out of what Macc said
i thouht about a more jazz-style-beat-construction
where samples/patterns dont repeat themselves in 12 bars..

But at least a tune like "Everybody plays the same" comes with some nifty 3/4-beats.

This is the future:

http://www.redeyerecords1.co.uk/sounds/cat8709.asf

it's been a love/hate relationship for a while...

thats why you stick around

[Macc]

I wasn't talking about 3/4 time (although I think dnb works in all kinds of time sigs - see dgoHn's shit for more details ), but 12 bar structure. Well, ANY structure really.

That opera type thing I did in the Beat Ranch is something like 28 - 16 - 24 - 16 or something like that. Way Of The Small Thought is done in a 12 bar style, 8 bars of the first bit, 4 of the change. And it works (I reckon anyway). No one's said 'that sounds funny' or anything, and Clever seems to have had no probs mixing it.....

So why not?

Pulse > time
Song > DJ

etc

there be some reet good tits about today and better still i thought it was wednesday and its not its friday.

this thread is largely rubbish btw

if only the style of today had the skill of yesterday.

if only the style of today had the skill of yesterday.

you mean if only the skills of today ahd the styles of yesterday

ps: yes tits

yeh i seen some crackers about :d i acctually managed to get out the office this afternoon.. had a nice lunch in the park... lots of hawties sunbathing :d

The new Commercial Suicide EP sounds pretty fresh...